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bjbeard

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Re: An opinion on a few things.
« Reply #15 on: July 30, 2009, 03:55:26 AM »
Private space ventures are a joke. No way is any corporation going to toss that kind of money away. They cant see the long term investment, only the initial costs. Don't you think by now we would have seen some corporation or other make orbit if they really wanted to? Best we'll ever get is the Rutan designed/Branson scam called Spaceship II. Last I read the tickets were over 300,000 USD and it lasted like an hour or so. Geeze, if ya wanna feel weightless, pop a ride with Zero-G. It lasts longer and costs a LOT less!!!

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Re: An opinion on a few things.
« Reply #16 on: July 30, 2009, 06:53:55 AM »
It's not the weightlessness.....it's the VIEW.  Trust me.

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Re: An opinion on a few things.
« Reply #17 on: July 30, 2009, 01:07:15 PM »
Tourism is a strange thing. 100 years ago it involved many, MANY $$ for boarding a plane, or a trans-Atlantic cruising and most of them did that out of necessity (immigration, work, etc.).

Today, people can pay @$2000 and spend 7-10 days on a Caribbean cruise.

Surprisingly soon enough, LEO space tourism will be a thing everybody can afford, at least once in a lifetime. Humans are an inquisitive species and if there is a new frontier, everybody wants to be there, smelling, watching, touching, taking it apart and tasting... NASATV is just not enough ;D

I only hope that we don't manage to turn this piece of rock we call Earth into a heap of ruins, before that happens.

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Re: An opinion on a few things.
« Reply #18 on: August 03, 2009, 04:08:17 AM »
The second card (first was Griffin removal) was played:
http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2009/07/major-shuttle-and-iss-extension-drive-augustine-commission/

Only few weeks, and we'll have all the answers.
After all, if the Shuttle program should be closed in 2010, many will lose their jobs.

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Re: An opinion on a few things.
« Reply #19 on: August 03, 2009, 04:35:33 AM »
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After all, if the Shuttle program should be closed in 2010, many will lose their jobs.
 

How true, how true... I left Rockwell/USA 13 years ago to get a better paying job here in Orlando and I'm glad that I did as I would probably be in the same boat....

Kinda saw the "Writing on the Wall" back then when NASA was discussing cut-backs at that point in time; and we were contractors for NASA and that's just the way contracting works... Still a contractor now, at my current job, and every year (or contract end) it's up in the air.... It's just business....




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Re: An opinion on a few things.
« Reply #20 on: August 03, 2009, 06:24:39 AM »
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After all, if the Shuttle program should be closed in 2010, many will lose their jobs.
 

How true, how true... I left Rockwell/USA 13 years ago to get a better paying job here in Orlando and I'm glad that I did as I would probably be in the same boat....

Kinda saw the "Writing on the Wall" back then when NASA was discussing cut-backs at that point in time; and we were contractors for NASA and that's just the way contracting works... Still a contractor now, at my current job, and every year (or contract end) it's up in the air.... It's just business....





It's just the same in DoD contracting believe me.

bjbeard

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Re: An opinion on a few things.
« Reply #21 on: August 05, 2009, 01:13:50 PM »
Anyone here got a really rich uncle?

I bet we could come up with an idea to get to orbit.

On a different side, Has anyone head of Project Blackstar?

Apparently it used a remnant from the XB-70 Valkyrie program and is a two stage orbital system. Both are manned, and it has apparently been flying for at least 15 years...

I wonder if something is about to be unveiled? Who knows what fun stuff Groom Lake has come up with!

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Re: An opinion on a few things.
« Reply #22 on: August 05, 2009, 09:11:11 PM »
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Re: An opinion on a few things.
« Reply #23 on: August 05, 2009, 09:53:35 PM »
Form their website:

--snip----
By having a large launching tower, currently being developed, the rocket will be guided by passive rails until it have sufficient velocity to reach its apogee using only static fins.
--snap----

I am skeptical
On the same page, they have a graphic, which shows "active guidance rudders".

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Re: An opinion on a few things.
« Reply #24 on: August 06, 2009, 12:01:39 AM »
I think the rails take the place of the gimbaled nozzles that most rockets have today, and the fins are for minor trajectory changes on the later stages of ascent.

It is still interesting, nevertheless. I never would have thought that a volunteer organization might be able to accomplish this.
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Re: An opinion on a few things.
« Reply #25 on: August 12, 2009, 11:12:17 PM »
Orion is the future manned NASA vehilce. Because of the fact that NASA won't use any different system to carry humans up into space, Orion will be the replacement of the Space Shuttle indeed, not as a reusable glider, but as a spacecraft.

A lot of people at present are to narrow minded in my point of view (too much fanatic on old stuff) -> focused on the ISS and Hubble, two aging relicts, to try to justify further use of the Space Shuttle. Hubble is in its declining years. Follow up space telescopes won't require a Space Shuttle, nor are they launched by such a vehicle. As for the ISS: this thing also is aging. It's already 10 years old and in the worst case it might not get beyong 2016. And Remember that the Russians did not need a Space Shuttle to build and operate the Mir space station. I hope that NASA won't be that s****d again to carry up such a big space station like the ISS by such small/light pieces.

As for the gap:
The Space Shuttle has caused a gap way bigger than Constellation does right now and is indicating to do in near future. If you add the gaps of the Shuttle program, it's already nearly a decade. Yes, a decade. The delays during development already were so "amazing" (because of major problems with the thermal protection system but also main engines and other parts) that it even caused Skylab to be abandoned.

There is only one rational reason to continue using the Space Shuttle: jobs. And I can understand those, nearly 8000 people, who are going to lose their jobs. But NASA has a news focus, which is the deep space again, well, luckily. For that the Shuttle is absolutely useless. That NASA has just announced the STS-134 crew, shows how serious they are regarding the Shuttle retirement and doing something different. Just look how they hurry up now. They try to finish the ISS monster project on time to start doing something different.

NASA is on a good path, no matter they chose Ares or something else.
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Re: An opinion on a few things.
« Reply #26 on: August 13, 2009, 07:00:34 AM »
OK so following that logic, you come across as saying we only should focus on one aspect of exploration? Deep space only, and poop-can everything in earth orbit? Look I love the fact that Luna is on the plate again, but not at the expense of building more and larger stations in LEO. Currently less than .01% of the US budget is spent on NASA related items. The National Endowment for the Arts (NEA) gets more that NASA...What is wrong with that picture?

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Re: An opinion on a few things.
« Reply #27 on: August 13, 2009, 06:30:00 PM »
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While such claims are being evaluated by the Augustine Commission, a realignment of funding and direction could play into the hands of extending shuttle, buying the US more time to make the transition, saving the majority of the skill set, holding on to the country’s leadership in space, and fully utilizing the $100 billion Space Station via shuttle for crew transportation and logistical support via the vehicle’s unprecedented upmass – and second-to-none downmass – capabilities.

So one major reason why we need to extend the shuttle has to do with pride, so we don't allow Russia to be the leaders of space exploration?



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Re: An opinion on a few things.
« Reply #28 on: August 13, 2009, 06:33:11 PM »
The Shuttle program is focused on only one aspect of exploration. NASA, and anybody else yet, does not have and won't get the money to focus on more than one manned program. But instead of the STS, Constellation is a program that combines two proposals and capabilities in one program: low earth orbit and deep space. The Space Shuttle is a money and time eating program that has prevented doing anything else beyond LEO for decades. With the Space Shuttle NASA gets stuck in low earth orbit not only for decades, but forever in case they would not do anything different.

The current Constellation boosters might be still controversal. But the Orion spacecraft will put NASA on a proper way rather than the Space Shuttle did. Humans want to explore the universe which we can not achive by staying in LEO. And we won't go beyond LEO at all by continuing to operate the Shuttle.

The actual purpose of the Shuttle was never achived: a cheap and reliable system that launches hundreds of times until the year 2000. Beside keeping jobs, I see no valid reason to continue the program, although it was an amazing human achievement. I just love to simulate and recreate the STS by using SSM2007. But in reality I don't want to see NASA continue to be focused on LEO only for another decades. It's enough. Just like Eileen Collins and her colleagues say these days: "It's time to go farther"

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Re: An opinion on a few things.
« Reply #29 on: August 14, 2009, 03:00:15 AM »
Well you might want to take a look at this: Panel: Exploration plan doesn't fit in current budget

http://spaceflightnow.com/news/n0908/12augustine/

Doesn't look too good for any program... The current administration is f***ing up lots of things and spend trillions on things that just aren't that important IMO...