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On Orbit => Space Shuttle Mission Simulator (tm) => Topic started by: vinny002 on January 25, 2011, 04:58:30 AM
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Hi, guys!!
The graphics in the sneak peak of SSMS 2 is stunning!! I wanted to ask you, how is the SSMS 2 coming along? It's getting interesting!!
Cheers,
Vincent
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Still in Alpha stage, progress as planned.
/Admin
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I cant say I am all that impressed by the alpha graphics - the trees look a bit lame. But there is a way to go of course yet I'm sure the graphics will look great eventually.
I would definitely like to see better shadows on orbiting objects in SS2. I find the objects in orbit in the present game look a bit too bright with a distinct lack of contrast (same for the objects on earth like the towers etc actually). Whereas its true that sometimes orbiting objects dont have completely black shadows due partially to the earths reflection, most photos I have seen of the shuttle etc in orbit do look very black in shadow and its something that I do find a bit unrealistic in the present game. I would certainly like to see this improved as the in orbit views are the main reason I bought the game. Its a small point admittedly but as the new game seems to be concentrating on graphical improvements I thought it worth saying.
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I am sure, that photos does not help to define the brightness of the shadowed part of orbiting objects. It would be interesting so have reports from astronauts, that have already seen this with their own eyes.
The human eye is very adaptive to brightness differences. More than most cameras.
The game "simulates" the naked eye in most views, so it would be best to follow advice from real astronauts.
/Armin
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Nats: we are concentrating on ALL departments, not only graphics. The sneak previews show only a tiny part of what we have planned.
Poci & Nats: shadow "color" depends on zillion of things, among them the anount of ambient light and reflection from surrounding objects, transparency and color of the objects casting the shadow, etc. etc. I don't think we can ever match reality with the current technology (in real time), so basically we'll be looking at many compromises.
Regardless, the realism will benefit from self-shadowing even if we use some good approximation.
/Admin
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Regardless, the realism will benefit from self-shadowing even if we use some good approximation.
Definitive, and I am looking forward to see that :)
/Armin
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Hi, guys!!
I wanted to ask you, I'm very interested in finding out more about the new features of the SSMS 2. Will there be any working circuit breakers like what you see on the overhead panel which is used for turning stuff on and off? Will there be any new sounds like APU sound, and the wind sound when the space shuttle is ascending into thinner air and into space? The atmospheric rendering is good in SSM2007 but the atmospheric rendering will be better in SSMS 2. I'm sure the SSMS 2 will have more features than what I asked about here.
Cheers,
Vincent
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Vince,
Keep watching the forum. From time to time we shall be releasing official information.
/Admin
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Looks great but what will be the computer specs to run SSMS 2?
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Looks great but what will be the computer specs to run SSMS 2?
See above my answer to Vince.
/Admin
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Nats: we are concentrating on ALL departments, not only graphics. The sneak previews show only a tiny part of what we have planned.
Poci & Nats: shadow "color" depends on zillion of things, among them the anount of ambient light and reflection from surrounding objects, transparency and color of the objects casting the shadow, etc. etc. I don't think we can ever match reality with the current technology (in real time), so basically we'll be looking at many compromises.
Regardless, the realism will benefit from self-shadowing even if we use some good approximation.
/Admin
Yes sorry I shouldnt have said you were concentrating on only the graphics as I am sure there is quite a lot you will be adding in addition. Good to see though that improvements in the in orbit graphics are on the table. Being unable to ever get up there myself I would love this new sim to get me there in all but reality, the present sim doesnt quite do it for me, albeit being very impressive. Sun glinting off metal and windows, seeing the earths reflection in polished metal and glass, seeing the earths clouds and their shadows moving over the earth realistically and perhaps hurricanes and storms affecting lift offs and being where they were in reality, seeing the earths seasons change the globe - all this would add so much to the in orbit views, would love to see these kind of things in the game. For me it isnt so much pushing the buttons and doing the missions, the views from space are what I play the game for as much as anything else.
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Nats: we are concentrating on ALL departments, not only graphics. The sneak previews show only a tiny part of what we have planned.
Poci & Nats: shadow "color" depends on zillion of things, among them the anount of ambient light and reflection from surrounding objects, transparency and color of the objects casting the shadow, etc. etc. I don't think we can ever match reality with the current technology (in real time), so basically we'll be looking at many compromises.
Regardless, the realism will benefit from self-shadowing even if we use some good approximation.
/Admin
Yes sorry I shouldnt have said you were concentrating on only the graphics as I am sure there is quite a lot you will be adding in addition. Good to see though that improvements in the in orbit graphics are on the table. Being unable to ever get up there myself I would love this new sim to get me there in all but reality, the present sim doesnt quite do it for me, albeit being very impressive. Sun glinting off metal and windows, seeing the earths reflection in polished metal and glass, seeing the earths clouds and their shadows moving over the earth realistically and perhaps hurricanes and storms affecting lift offs and being where they were in reality, seeing the earths seasons change the globe - all this would add so much to the in orbit views, would love to see these kind of things in the game. For me it isnt so much pushing the buttons and doing the missions, the views from space are what I play the game for as much as anything else.
Hmm, I'm confused. Previously you hoped that we don't concentrate only on the graphics part, and now you're saying that this is the most important thing for you ::)
Anyway, our work is not done yet - by far. Standby for other sneak peeks - when they come.
/Admin
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Important to me but definitely not the most important thing for me, graphics are just one aspect of a game. Fun gameplay, enjoyable graphics, addictiveness, immersion, realism, ease of learning, are all very important to me in a game. Needless to say I dont play many games these days. Last games that had all of this for me were Frontier Elite and EF2000. Developers these days seem to concentrate on difficulty, complexity and graphics to the detriment of everything else unfortunately. Playing a very difficult game puts me off more than anything else. I feel SSMS1 falls down a bit here. I am not quite finished with it yet but certainly it strains my willingness to keep on playing on occasion :-) Shame becuase its a great game otherwise. Hope the new game will have the opportunity to just cheat you way through an impossible move for those of us who arent qualified astronauts.
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Important to me but definitely not the most important thing for me, graphics are just one aspect of a game. Fun gameplay, enjoyable graphics, addictiveness, immersion, realism, ease of learning, are all very important to me in a game. Needless to say I dont play many games these days. Last games that had all of this for me were Frontier Elite and EF2000. Developers these days seem to concentrate on difficulty, complexity and graphics to the detriment of everything else unfortunately. Playing a very difficult game puts me off more than anything else. I feel SSMS1 falls down a bit here. I am not quite finished with it yet but certainly it strains my willingness to keep on playing on occasion :-) Shame becuase its a great game otherwise. Hope the new game will have the opportunity to just cheat you way through an impossible move for those of us who arent qualified astronauts.
EF2000!!! Awesomeness!
But seriously, cheating our way through? That would affect realism quite a lot, which is -as you point out - an important aspect of a simulation (or game). I think there are enough aids in the current game, with access to all kinds of arrows and spheres pointing out exactly where we need to be. All these can make our life on orbit quite easy already.
If we want to wander mindlessly through all the complexity that comes with spaceflight and the space shuttle, then why do we even bother to play this simulator?
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ahh, EF2000, where I learned how to do basket refueling.
Important skill for bets with other sim playing friends :)
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Hi, guys!
On the twitter page, I saw R&D convening and summarizing the progress of the SSMS 2 and the SSMS 2 is greater than ever. The SSMS 2 is really looking good and keep up the excellent work!!
Cheers,
Vincent
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I will be happy when I get it and can build the ISS from scratch... ::) ;D
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Not sure if anyone can answer this for me, But I do have a question about SSM2. I read that SSM2 is going to have the same mission and new ones, with graphic enhancments, and a few supprises. My question is why make a whole new version, when an expansion pack, could do all that, Instead of making a whole new version. Not sure why the new version, instead of an expansion pack. Just courious, not sure if a new engine was used or prehaps the developers bought new development software that would allow for greater emersion in to the sim. I was just courious, it just hit me the other day when I've seen others do this. I thought this was an interesting question to ask. Your Friend as always, Conan.
BTW you know the old 80's rock song, "I want my MTV" , well since the annoucment of SSM2. I've been singing " I want my SSM2" hehe, thought ya'll might get a kick out of that.
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Short answers:
1. We haven't announced all the new features yet
2. SSMS2 cannot be an "expansion pack" of SSMS1 for the same reasons FSX could not be an expansion pack of FS9
/Admin
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Are there any estimates for us as to when SSM2 will likely to be released? And, have you still got a lot of work on the tables from a development standpoint?
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Are there any estimates for us as to when SSM2 will likely to be released? And, have you still got a lot of work on the tables from a development standpoint?
http://www.space-shuttle-mission.com/forum/index.php?topic=4416.msg32962#msg32962
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Hi, guys!!
I wanted to ask you, will the SSMS 2 have accurate astrodynamics like micro drag above 400,000 feet and in low earth orbit like where the ISS is? I know that at an altitude of 400,000 feet in SSM2007 the atmosphere magically stops where the atmosphere have no effect on the space shuttle at all. Now for the aerodynamics, I think the aerodynamics is accurate in SSM2007 when the space shuttle is in the atmosphere.
Cheers,
Vincent
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Hi vinny,
Same answer. Wait for more official announcements :)
And for G-d's sake! Please CLEAN your PC of viruses. We're getting tons of SPAM from your account!
/Admin
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Hi, Admin!!
Are you still getting spam from my account again, oh great! I'll check it out and find out what's going on. I got anti-virus software installed on my PC. Thanks!!
Cheers,
Vincent
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To prevent spamming the forums up, I have an SSM 2 question so I will just post it here.
I was reading this post from a few years back :
http://www.space-shuttle-mission.com/forum/index.php?topic=187.0
It mentions a networked type of multiplayer MCC for SSMS, I know there are probabaly more pressing things on the agenda for SSMS 2 but I was curious if there will be any type of support for add-on developers in SSMS2? Maybe we can help create new features and add-ons for the simulator.
One other thing, I was at KSC around the middle of 2010 and stopped by the gift shop and spotted this:
(http://img127.hotlinkimage.com/thumb/1001038133.jpeg) (http://img127.hotlinkimage.com/img.php?id=1001038133&q=)
and they were in the austronaut hall of fame gift shop too:
(http://img136.hotlinkimage.com/thumb/257168088.jpeg) (http://img136.hotlinkimage.com/img.php?id=257168088&q=)
glad to see it retail =)
Thanks!
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Hi miranoff,
SSMS:TCE has been selling at the NASA shops (and other channels) since June-July last year :) Thanks for the field reporting: it's cool seeing the boxes at KSC.
As for the features set of SSMS2, follow the forum, our Twitter and Facebook page: once in a while, we make public select sneak peeks, hints about new features etc.
Stay tuned.
/Admin
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Is there an estimate about the new space shuttle mission coming out ??
I know ..i must be missing some information, but i know it is going to be something beautiful, and i'm just eager to start from scratch with the first mission again!
Just any guesses or realistic info will do !
Sorry ..Admin ;D
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We've just released a new teaser: JSC will get respect in our next version. More to come.
/Admin
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Hi, Admin!!
That's exciting news!! I'm eager to try out SSMS 2 myself!!
Cheers,
Vincent
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Hi, Admin!!
I forgot to ask you, on the twitter page what does NASA's JSC homage on SSMS 2 mean? Very interesting stuff indeed!! Thanks!!
Cheers,
Vincent
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Alpha 04 of the "Space Shuttle Mission Simulator 2" has been sent to the Alpha team. New major feature being tested. Looking good.
/Admin
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Hi, Admin!
That's good news!! Keep up the excellent work!! Thanks!!
Cheers,
Vincent
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Admin,
any fresh news about SSM2 actual state ? Are close to a GO for set it available to any one of us ?
Looking forward to your next appreciated news,
keep tight with debugging and all the best!
Denis Ferrari
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:)
No new news yet. We'll release them when we're ready ;)
Actually we're nearing a new "tease" but the latest major feature is not ready yet for being revealed.
Please standby,
/Admin
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Roger Huston! ;)
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It's been a long time since I used SSM2007, and I am looking forward to resuming shuttle flights when SSMS2 is released :)
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Can't wait to get back into space. Been putting in a fair amount if time with FSX with some great add ons (REX, QW757, VRS Superbug, ORBX scenerys, PMDG ). Its all great fun, but I feel the need for SPEED! I need my 17,500 MPH fix!!!!! ;D
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Lol, try the Concorde, this is the airplane the most 'close' enough of the Shuttle !
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Just a small report. R&D is moving along and the results on the latest feature tha we're implementing are really amazing! Operating the Shuttle will never feel more realistic. Well, maybe in SSMS3 we'll be finding new ways to make it even MORE realistic, who knows?
I hope that when we're done with this feature, I'll be able to tease you with a few pics, like I did with the new, high resolution Earth and new scenery engine.
Meanwhile, keep on flying, and wishing NASA best of luck and success, as it wraps up the last chapter of the STS program.
/Admin
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Good news!
Excellent!
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Is it going to have much heftier hardware requirements over SSM2007?
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Today i seen the ssms 2 mcc and all i can say is wow, i cant wait till the release good job on the new stuff
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I was Speechless Can't wait for SSMS-2 :)
Richard R
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Very nice. Would be interesting to know how we navigate through the room.
/Armin
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I actually thought it was real NASA footage until i relised it was actually the sim. Couldnt believe it, thats outstanding work.
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It would be worth the money to up grade the computer just so i can play the new version.
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Hi, guys!!
The virtual MCC in the sneak peak of SSMS2 is outstanding!!! Keep up the excellent work!!!
Cheers,
Vincent
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Just one word is worth : amazing!
Can't wait for SSM2
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Just one word is worth : amazing!
Can't wait for SSM2
Can't wait for it either ;)
/Admin
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Hi, guys!
I wanted to ask you, how does a 3D MCC work what you see in the SSMS2 sneak peek? Very interesting stuff indeed! Thanks!
Cheers,
Vincent
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Well, what World of Warcraft is in the Massively Multiplayer Online Role-Playing Game market, SSM2 will be in the space flight simulation market: the best! 8)
When I first opened the sneak preview thread and saw the latest pictures without reading first, I thought they have put a few pictures of MCC Houston into the thread. But no, it's pictures of SSM2... WTF? :o ;D
To wait for SSM2 alsmost becomes something like walking the Way of St. James... ;)
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I have grown hesitant over the years to jump and by a new product right at release. I tend to wait a few weeks to let the kinks get worked out and read what others think of the game.
However, that will certainly not be the case here. SSMS2 is a release day purchase for me certainly.
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Hi, guys!
I think the SSMS2 will be very exciting! I can't wait to try it out! I certainly will buy SSMS2 as soon it's released!! Keep up the excellent work!!
Cheers,
Vincent
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+1 :)
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The new major feature moving along nicely. I hope to be able to show you guys a few sneak peeks soon ;)
/Admin
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Admin ... just to let all of us with deep passion in space flight, in particular to Space Shuttle STS Nasa program less sad and crying in a month or two - when STS program will be definetively ended - why don't make SSMS2 download available for all of us and all the rest ;) ?
Joking ;D ... but you know we really would appreciate it a lot :)
I know you're working hard on SSMS2!
Excellent!
Denis
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Admin ... just to let all of us with deep passion in space flight, in particular to Space Shuttle STS Nasa program less sad and crying in a month or two - when STS program will be definetively ended - why don't make SSMS2 download available for all of us and all the rest ;) ?
Joking ;D ... but you know we really would appreciate it a lot :)
I know you're working hard on SSMS2!
Excellent!
Denis
;)
/Admin
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Hi, Admin!
I'm glad the new major feature of SSMS2 is coming along nicely!! Keep up the excellent work!!
Cheers,
Vincent
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a new sneak peak on a new big feature? I am excited. Can't wait to see a few more screenshots. Helps with the sadness of the Atlantis launch in a few months that we will still be able to fly this amazing machine, the Space Shuttle, in SSMS v2.
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+1
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Are there plans in SSM2 to make the ascent angle of attack more realistic? NASA sources indicate this angle of attack to be between 0 and -7 degrees, with -3.5 as a typical.
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hello
i can not wait till the new game is there.
but i think wi can wait still 1 or 2 years before the game is out.
i start to tink thate it never come
sorry
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i tink that the new sim never is to come
there whe never hire somting over it
gr bert
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It will come soon enough, it takes a while to make a sim that awesome! Side note, is the whole mission patch thing coming too? Everyone loves achievements, maybe add 1-3 stars beneath the patch to show what level it was completed on :)
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i tink that the new sim never is to come
i tink it will. Nice try :P
there whe never hire somting over it
can't argue with this (what the heck r u trying to say, dude?)
/Admin
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Hi, guys!
I wanted to ask you, are there any new screenshots besides the new MCC and the new high resolution earth textures, ect. for SSMS 2? I think the SSMS 2 is still in alpha stage and I think the SSMS2 might be in beta stage in September of this year. Thanks!!
Cheers,
Vincent
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I hope these developers are still on schedule! :) The new screenshots we've seen so far are amazing. I hope we can also get some new audio/comm as well. Maybe Charlie Hobaugh's voice for capcom :D And maybe the coveted shutdown procedures too ;) I can imagine this new sim is gonna sell better than the first too. Even some of my friends that aren't really into these things said they are gonna buy this!
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...Com'on Admin ... any news for us ... remember that after 07 July we're gonna be sad since no more shuttle launches ... and after 12 days will be a disaster even to think we won't never see a landing and a wheel stop ... and all the rest :(
Hope SSMS2 will come extrememly soon,
Good speed STS Program , real and simulated too :)
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The "news" is that we're moving ahead nicely ;)
/Admin
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I'm glad for this ... ;)
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Sounds good.
My two cents, no need for an update in the next week or so. I will be too busy watching NASA TV every waking moment I can. Want to follow STS-135 as closely as I can, since it will be quite some time until NASA is able to launch astronauts in one of its own vehicles.
But once Atlantis' wheels stop, an update would sure be a nice pick me up. I am sure to be in one depressed mood when that happens. :-[
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+1
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Me too. :(
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The end of an real adventure and the start of a new virtual one !
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Yes. At least we have the virtual adventure.
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Hi, guys!
I wanted to ask you, how is the SSMS 2 coming along? The SSMS 2 is going to be very interesting and I can't wait to try out the new SSMS 2!!
Cheers,
Vincent
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Check SSMS Twitter :-)
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Hi, guys!
I wanted to ask you, do you guys know what kind of new functions will the cockpit in SSMS2 will have which the SSM2007 don't have like open/close circuit breakers, working cryogenic meters on Panel O2, ect.? Thanks!
Cheers,
Vincent
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Is it known yet whether or not if it will run on Windows XP?
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Hi, Fenderf4i!
I think the SSMS 2 will only run on windows vista and windows 7. Since the new computers will no longer have windows XP installed, the chances are pretty slim the SSMS 2 will run on windows XP.
Cheers,
Vincent
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The fact that XP will not longer be pre-installed on newer PC's does not necessarily mean that SSM2 won't run on XP.
I think this question can only be answered by Admin. :)
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The fact that XP will not longer be pre-installed on newer PC's does not necessarily mean that SSM2 won't run on XP.
I think this question can only be answered by Admin. :)
And as usual, it is too early to commit to anything at this point, but one thing is sure: we won't take specific steps to make it incompatible with Win XP. If eventually it becomes incompatible with Win XP, that will happen only if we have no choice.
/Admin
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Nice video! I have a question though: While the graphics have been updated, is there going to be updates on the technical side of the sim like procedures, systems simulation and orbital mechanics and overall level of difficulty, (I remember once there was talk about implementing some sort of master mode with no dumbing down of any of the systems/orbital dynamics, any word on that? Looking very good so far!
Alex
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We'll touch everything that we can without pushing the release into the next century. As for the so-called "master mode", yes, there was a request/question, but no official commitment or otherwise was issued. The current features set is locked, but we cannot comment on all the features which made it through just yet. Following our forum, or Twitter and Facebook official announcements is the best way to know what happens with SSMS2.
/Admin
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Will have a beta version? Sorry for English! ;)
/CristiRo
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Will have a beta version? Sorry for English! ;)
The Beta will not be public. It will be tested and reviewed exclusively by the Beta Testing Team.
/Admin
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How compatible with the graphics be with the AMD Radeon cards??
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How compatible with the graphics be with the AMD Radeon cards??
As compatible as AMD RADEON cards drivers are with OpenGL ;)
/Admin
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How compatible with the graphics be with the AMD Radeon cards??
As compatible as AMD RADEON cards drivers are with OpenGL ;)
/Admin
That's not reassuring... I don't really want to buy a new graphics card. Fingers crossed no new graphics issues that I'm not already putting up with in ssms2007. :(
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How compatible with the graphics be with the AMD Radeon cards??
As compatible as AMD RADEON cards drivers are with OpenGL ;)
/Admin
That's not reassuring... I don't really want to buy a new graphics card. Fingers crossed no new graphics issues that I'm not already putting up with in ssms2007. :(
We cannot make any promises for things which are not under our control. Sorry. We're not even insisting on the latest version of OpenGL - that's about all we can do to increase the chance that the occasional AMD driver bugs are killed for good.
I think that this issue should be taken to AMD which supposedly promises full OpenGL compatibility and support, bugs notwithstanding.
/Admin
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Appreciate your efforts Admin. Here's hoping :)
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Just a small tease: we are now working on a new, major feature for the ISS.
I can't believe I've just said that! :o
/Admin
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Roger Huston!
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Hi, Admin!
That's excellent news!! Thanks!!
Cheers,
Vincent
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yeahh!! Nice ! Hope the full feature list will be revealed soon :-)
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...Admin ... at this point we're getting hungry and hungry ... Christmas is getting close too .... remembering SSMS2007 launch ...any chance to run SSMS2 on our PCs before 2012 ;) ?
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Just a small tease: we are now working on a new, major feature for the ISS.
I can't believe I've just said that! :o
/Admin
Let me guess: the 3D interior? 8)
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The Shuttle 3D and functional space potty? :-)
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Just a small tease: we are now working on a new, major feature for the ISS.
I can't believe I've just said that! :o
/Admin
My guess would be an interior, or fully function manual control of the ISS arm
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to be able to float from the Shuttle to the ISS through the docking port, and then explore the ISS as we slowly built it in orbit would be pure awesome. I may have to get creative and construct a rig out of wood and bungie cords so I can get that "zero g feeling" and really crank up the immersion factor to 11.
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Admin - How about a quick preview screenshot cmon thats easy to do!! Hop to it !!
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Admin - How about a quick preview screenshot cmon thats easy to do!! Hop to it !!
Hmm... We've already released quite a few screenshots, including a preview video.
/Admin
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Yeh i know just wishful thinking. Your FB page is quite comprehensive with the new release. Been away for quite a while - just catching up on the progress. I gather its not in Beta yet?
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Was hoping to get this as a Christmas gift :-\
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I guess I can't see any progress screenshots or other stuff unless I am on Facebook?
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I guess I can't see any progress screenshots or other stuff unless I am on Facebook?
They eventually find their way here too, don't worry :)
/Admin
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Admin is wrapping them up for the xmas stocking as we speak!
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Hi, Jeff B
Yes, I think Admin is wrapping up the SSMS2 for the Christmas stocking too!
Cheers,
Vincent
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Admin ... any good news about SSMS2 ?
Christmas time incoming... ;)
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I'm sure that Admin is going to show us something for Christmas ! Admin or our Santa Claus :) And I'm sure you'll not be disappointing about what you'll see under your Christmas tree ! :D
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Admin ... any good news about SSMS2 ?
Christmas time incoming... ;)
There are no news I can make public yet, but all is GOOD :) We are still in Alpha (hint about when the sim is NOT coming) but moving ahead steadily.
A new Alpha will be released once we implemented the current major feature, and then we move to the next. Since all the new features are really huge, there is also a "huge" amount of work and testing. I am sure that when we release some sneak peeks covering what we've been doing for the last two months, you'll appreciate what I was talking about.
It will be worth the wait :)
/Admin (the "Space Santa" :))
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Roger all Space Santa :)
...Santa usually carries a nice gift ... in this particular case let's hope it will some-way be something we'll be able to "use" ... and not only "look at" ::)
Denis
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hello all
i think it is never to come i think the stop working on it
but i will hope that it ome
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hello all
i think it is never to come i think the stop working on it
but i will hope that it ome
Here's a scoop bertram, just or you ;) : "the stil work on it [very hard] and i think it is to ome out"
/Admin
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Hi, Admin!
That's excellent news! It sure is worth the wait for SSMS 2 to be this good!! Keep up the excellent work!!
Cheers,
Vincent
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She might be coming with the Easter Bunny! Will be worth the wait by the sounds of it.
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Without question SSMS 2 will be worth the wait. Long live the Space Shuttle!
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Worth the wait, no doubts on it al all!
God speed Space Shuttle Program and SSMS2!
Denis
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"like!"
/Admin
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Psssssssssssssssssst......
Anybody here?
ECHO... ECHO... ECHO... ECHO...
This place became creepy silent ;D
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I guess we are busy with R&D and others with flying missions at the highest difficulty setting ;)
/Admin
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Plus you've got to fly that mission again, with errors introduced to see the outcome. I remember an astronaut saying something like we simulate the mission/task in idea conditions about five times, then we perform the same mission/task 200 times with errors and failures.
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Please don't release this quite yet... I've got to finish SSM2007 still... I'm up to STS-122. Trying to fly a mission a day but don't want to get burn-out ;D
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... how quite has recently became this forum ... let's hope this "silence" will bring SSMS2 liftoff "noise" asap ;)
Denis
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yes... It's too quiet ... terribly quiet :(
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Nothing to do about the lack of noise. The only noise I hear at this end is the noise of 3D and texture design and of the keyboard, coding in the new features, so I'd say it's pretty noisy ;)
/Admin
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Roger huston!
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Show us some 'noise' !!
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Will there be any new news to come about ssms2 in the near future.
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Will there be any new news to come about ssms2 in the near future.
Yes :)
/Admin
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...let's hope Santa will bring all of us a with a launch window of new SSMS2 ;)
Denis
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I do agree i would love to start my first mission in the new flight deck.
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hummm, yes, but only two switches will be available !
(http://www.avionic-online.com/_tmp/Exciting/shuttle-up-down.jpg)
:)
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... in the meanwhile would be nice, so we will be able to enjoy our most beautiful beautiful blue planet new high res textures that SSMS2 is expected to have... :)
Anyway .. Let's hope we'll receive something more than screenshots... it's Christmas ;)
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Dear friends,
Just so you know, ho, ho, ho: we are in our virtual VAB, preparing for our own "Return to Flight #2" :). Here is the latest report:
1. The ISS you all know from SSMS1 is all but gone. The new SSMS2 ISS is growing. We are currently working our rear burners off on improving the ISS model and adding all sorts of cool stuff to it - including the interior :) That takes a lot of time, attention to detail, information gathering, modeling and energy.
2. Although we already released some sneak previews of the new, high resolution Earth engine, we still have a lot to add to it to make it even more realistic, so bear with us.
3. The 3D cockpit is fully operational and the very few bugs reported by the Alpha Team have been fixed. That very complex and critical part of SSMS2 is behind us already 99%.
4. Same goes for the new 3D MCC: we have no bugs reported on that section, but there is additional functionality that we plan to implement there, so that part of the project is still open.
Add to all the above the tons of new "things" that we have in store: more and surprising missions, new comunications, improved mathematical models, etc. and you'll become very realistic about the chances of seeing SSMS2 on the shelves this Christmas.
On the other hand, when SSMS2 does arrive, we don't want any of you to have the slightest feeling that you've wasted your hard-earned money on a pathetic sequel. We want us to be rightfully proud of SSMS2, just as we are of "SSMS1".
We also want you to be as engrossed by, supportive of, and enthusiastic about SSMS2 as you've been of SSMS1. We want SSMS2 to be - as the late Steve Jobs would have put it - "insanely great" :)
So for now, MERRY CHRISTMAS, HAPPY HANNUKA and HAPPY NEW 2012 (in 10 days from now <g>)
/Admin
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Dear friends,
Just so you know, ho, ho, ho: we are in our virtual VAB, preparing for our own "Return to Flight #2" :). Here is the latest report:
1. The ISS you all know from SSMS1 is all but gone. The new SSMS2 ISS is growing. We are currently working our rear burners off on improving the ISS model and adding all sorts of cool stuff to it - including the interior :) That takes a lot of time, attention to detail, information gathering, modeling and energy.
2. Although we already released some sneak previews of the new, high resolution Earth engine, we still have a lot to add to it to make it even more realistic, so bear with us.
3. The 3D cockpit is fully operational and the very few bugs reported by the Alpha Team have been fixed. That very complex and critical part of SSMS2 is behind us already 99%.
4. Same goes for the new 3D MCC: we have no bugs reported on that section, but there is additional functionality that we plan to implement there, so that part of the project is still open.
Add to all the above the tons of new "things" that we have in store: more and surprising missions, new comunications, improved mathematical models, etc. and you'll become very realistic about the chances of seeing SSMS2 on the shelves this Christmas.
On the other hand, when SSMS2 does arrive, we don't want any of you to have the slightest feeling that you've wasted your hard-earned money on a pathetic sequel. We want us to be rightfully proud of SSMS2, just as we are of "SSMS1".
We also want you to be as engrossed by, supportive of, and enthusiastic about SSMS2 as you've been of SSMS1. We want SSMS2 to be - as the late Steve Jobs would have put it - "insanely great" :)
So for now, MERRY CHRISTMAS, HAPPY HANNUKA and HAPPY NEW 2012 (in 10 days from now <g>)
/Admin
Very Merry Christmas and happy new year 2012 to you all SSMS2 Crew !
Denis
...have I read and understood correctly ? ... some probs that we can have a feasible launch windows for SSMS2 before this year finishes ? It would be amazing! :P
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Very Merry Christmas and happy new year 2012 to you all SSMS2 Crew !
Denis
...have I read and understood correctly ? ... some probs that we can have a feasible launch windows for SSMS2 before this year finishes ? It would be amazing! :P
:) you're not being realistic Dennis.
/Admin
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Ok :-\
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well this is some exciting new, thanks for the update.
Take your time and get it right. It sounds like it will certainly be worth the wait.
And I just completed 41C on Hard, (hard is right...) so I still got a few missions to get done on Hard before I will be in need of more shuttle missions!
The Shuttle will continue to fly thanks to SSMS v2!
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Thanks for the update Admin. Have great xmas to the whole team there be safe and be merry.
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Word on Facebook is we're still a year away from launch. I'd get comfy and find something else to do in SSMS2207
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Well, I wasn't expecting it to be a year away from now. That's a bit of a shock...
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....a year from now ??
:(
I didn't expected so long...
Let's wait... no options :)
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Fly the SSMS 2007 missions again. There is plenty of them, and let me tell you , on HARD, they take a bit of time.
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As I said many times: releasing an unfinished or mediocre product is NOT an option for us. At release time it may still not be perfect, but at least it will be a complete and stable product, which honors the legacy of the Space Shuttle Program and the many people behind it - and of course, it is worthy of your $.
We don't want to fall into the marketing trap which is so characteristic today, and bind the sim release to a date instead of the product readiness. It may cost us more now, but in the long run, everybody will be much happier :)
Happy Holidays!
/Admin
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Hi, Guys!
That makes sense. It is definitely better to wait for a more stable SSMS 2 than to release a buggy SSMS 2 and it is definitely well worth the wait!!! Please keep up the excellent work on making the SSMS 2 the best space shuttle simulator game on this planet!!
Cheers,
Vincent
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Wholeheartedly agree with Vincent. I'm sure it'll be well worth the wait
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I for one will wait for the final product, no matter how long it takes.
SSMS 1 has set the bar. The existing product (ver. 1) can be played over and over. Each mission can take days to complete if you choose.
In my view, Version 2 will add the eye-candy and improved UI that we have all be craving. Other than that, I would want nothing changed as Ver. 1 makes the grade for me in mission simulation.
And don't forget, the Shuttle is gone forever. Anything we do in simulation is a recreation of history. History takes time. Be patient. If you need a change of pace while waiting on SSMS 2, look at the "freeware" space simulationr product whose name cannot be said in these forums, but it does being with an O. Exactly the same only different, and in the end you'll still be wanting your Ver 2 of SSMS.
Happy Holidays and a Happiest New Year!
-Braun (a day 1, 2007 buyer of SSMS 1
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Same as for PMDG products : better have quality and take more time than buggy and less time.
All the very best to all the team, and a happy Xmas (or whatever hollyday you celebrate) to all !
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...Admin ... any new SSMS2 sneak-picks would of course be very much appreciated ;D
Cheers
Denis
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...Admin ... any new SSMS2 sneak-picks would of course be very much appreciated ;D
Cheers
Denis
Not yet :)
/Admin
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Hi, DenisFerrari!
The developers are working on the major feature of the SSMS 2 right now which is a lot of work and it's why it's taking so long. Please be patient, it'll be done.
Cheers,
Vincent
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Hi guys,
Could we have any fresh news about imminent SSMS 2 launch ?
Cheers,
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I was told SSMS2 was a year off towards the end of last year.
I'd personally wait for a finished product than have something released that wasn't ready and full of bugs.
Of course it would be nice to see the odd teaser. I'll expect the game when it's been released and no sooner.
Much respect for the talented devs and ground crew that make this the awesome sim that it is!!
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Animation question: The thing that has bugged me about some space simulations is how rocket/engine exhaust is depicted as these nice straight columns of gas...even in the upper atmosphere. Why don't animators accurately depict the expansion of exhaust gases at higher altitudes?
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I can't really speak for this one, but for Shuttle at least, the game was designed to use one texture for exhaust regardless of location. Also the reason they do it in movies is because "The audience would be too s****d to know the engine is firing if we don't add in an enormous fireball!" |=
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The silence in this forum is becoming more and more scary... ???
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Turn on the radio :)
/Admin
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The silence in this forum is becoming more and more scary... ???
That's true.
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It is normal that the forum activity would go down now that Exciting didn't released new mission since a while. I am sure that traffic will start again once SSMS2 will be close to release ! Don't worry about that !
IMHO, the most important thing is our reply time to solve a problem here with a new member (less than 12hours ! and some time mess than 1 hours depending the hour).
Another thing is that many users use the search function and find their answers and thus did not need to ask for help.
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Indeed. Work at this end is on-going full steam. There is still a lot to be done.
/Admin
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IMHO, the most important thing is our reply time to solve a problem here with a new member (less than 12hours ! and some time mess than 1 hours depending the hour).
I remember when I was new here, and I was really pleased to see that the community still fully supported SSM2007 and were eager to help. I always hoped that I knew enough one day to return the favour.
One of these days i'll fire the sim back up again and finish off the last 4 missions (before SSMS2) but with a wedding to prep for this weekend my time for general relaxation stuff is short.
Keep up the good work to all those still active.
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Turn on the radio :)
I don't even have a radio ;D
But now it got a little noisier here anyway :P
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It's a rainy and cold day. Snow is falling. What to do, what to do. Guess I'll get a shuttle up in orbit. Time to ride a virtual rocket!
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It's a rainy and cold day. Snow is falling. What to do, what to do. Guess I'll get a shuttle up in orbit. Time to ride a virtual rocket!
:)
/Admin
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I sure hope this is a Q3 release. ;D The worlds is scheduled to end in late Q4 this year. ::) :o
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:) yes, let's hope Q3 ;Dwill bring SSMS2...before end of this world
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LOL! There wasn't an official announcement that the End of the World will be released by the end of this year.
It's only a Mayan speculation ;)
/Admin
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If SSM2 is released before the end of the world, I don't care if the f*****g world is ending ;D
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If SSM2 is released before the end of the world, I don't care if the f*****g world is ending ;D
I don't know now whether to hasten or delay the release - LOL. Looking at the whole world as it is these days, pressing the reset button could not be such a bad idea after all ;)
/Admin
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I spoke to some Mayans and they said they made a mistake (high altitude & alcohol dont mix).
Nonetheless they are still wishing for a Q3 also - what should i tell them Admin they are on my back?
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Hi, guys!
Please don't worry about the Mayan stuff, the SSMS 2 will be released around Q4 of this year! The Mayan stuff is just a bunch of nonsense!
Cheers,
Vincent
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I spoke to some Mayans and they said they made a mistake (high altitude & alcohol dont mix).
Nonetheless they are still wishing for a Q3 also - what should i tell them Admin they are on my back?
Tell them that our Quezalquatl simulator will be ready in about 500 years ;)
/Admin
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lol, The mayan thig is just too funny :)
"SSMS2 will be release on Dec 21st 2012, Pre-order now. (*no refund will be offered if the world would end prior to delivery)"
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lol, The mayan thig is just too funny :)
"SSMS2 will be release on Dec 21st 2012, Pre-order now. (*no refund will be offered if the world would end prior to delivery)"
I missed this! It's indeed funny :)
/Admin
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If SSM2 is released before the end of the world, I don't care if the f*****g world is ending ;D
I don't know now whether to hasten or delay the release - LOL. Looking at the whole world as it is these days, pressing the reset button could not be such a bad idea after all ;)
/Admin
Pressing the reset button without SSM2 is not worth living on a World 2.0 ;D
;)
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Hi, guys!
Like I said, the Mayan stuff is a bunch of nonsense! Please don't believe everything you read on the Internet and the Mayan stuff on the Internet is just to scare people out, and in fact the Mayan stuff is garbage! Guys, please don't worry about the world is going to end on Dec. 21,2012 because it is not true! The SSMS 2 will be released around Q4 of 2012 and there is no doubt about that!
Cheers,
Vincent
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Don't worry Vinny I think everyone is simply kidding trying to push for an early SSMS 2 release ;)
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+1 ;)
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Release an update, or I'm gonna sniff some glue!
Anyone get the reference?
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:) still on target :)
/Admin
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Hi, bjbeard!
Please relax. The SSMS 2 will be released at around Q4 of 2012 which is in December of this year. The SSMS 2 will definitely be released loooooooooong before my 100th birthday on April 7, 2073 which is 61 years from now!
Cheers,
Vincent
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Arghhhhhh, waiting for the release of SSMS 2 is like waiting for the space program to start being funded again. Oh well guess i'll set back, have a pepsi, and dream of better days to come :(
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Arghhhhhh, waiting for the release of SSMS 2 is like waiting for the space program to start being funded again. Oh well guess i'll set back, have a pepsi, and dream of better days to come :(
... yes... true... "like waiting for the space program to start being found again".... :D
Let's petiently keep waiting, it's worth ;)
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Small update ;)
We all know that we've been awfully silent lately. You must believe us that there have been many moments when we feel that we must barge in and show off the latest things we're working on, but after the initial burst of enthusiasm, we just have to calm down and shut up. In this sense, we took a page from Steve Jobs' attitude to pre-announcements, at least until we have something "complete" to show.
Work is still going on as usual, however the latest things we're working on are interrelated and belong to one big and important feature. We don't want to talk about it (yet) or to tease (believe me, this is hard, especially for me) at least until it's ready.
This is also the reason why we didn;t release any Alpha to the Alpha team for some time now. We cannot release a version or news until we have the new thing completed to a "playable" level.
This is all we have to announce for now. The new Space Shuttle will lift off yet again - at least on your PCs, and much sooner than its successor in real life will carry human crews to the ISS and beyond ;)
/Admin
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OK we´ll keep on waiting.
Here´s another reason to wait http://news.discovery.com/history/mayan-calendar-discovery-doomsday-120511.html (http://news.discovery.com/history/mayan-calendar-discovery-doomsday-120511.html)
:D
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So there is hope for SSMS 3, 4, 5... after all ;)
/Admin
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Hi, Admin!
That is excellent news!
Cheers,
Vincent
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vinny ya missed the whole point of my post...
::) ;D
(for the record, i do know what a quarter is...) :P
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As for me, I am going through ssm-07 for the forth time and re-living all the missions. So far, no hang-ups at all (including a perfect sts-51a mission!) and I include my Flight Sim X in the process! I fly from Ellington in Houston to KSC in an f-18 with NASA livery(no t-38s in the sim) before every mission. Then, after a mission, I fly back to Houston from KSC on a Learjet. For me, this really gives the full package of flight sim glory! lol! After I wrap up all the flights, I will "retire" SSM-2007 and await the release of SSMS 2. I'm on orbit with STS-31 now so I'll probably wrap it all up in time. You guys really gave me my money's worth and then some. Keep on Space Truckin'! =)
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As for me, I am going through ssm-07 for the forth time and re-living all the missions. So far, no hang-ups at all (including a perfect sts-51a mission!) and I include my Flight Sim X in the process! I fly from Ellington in Houston to KSC in an f-18 with NASA livery(no t-38s in the sim) before every mission. Then, after a mission, I fly back to Houston from KSC on a Learjet. For me, this really gives the full package of flight sim glory! lol! After I wrap up all the flights, I will "retire" SSM-2007 and await the release of SSMS 2. I'm on orbit with STS-31 now so I'll probably wrap it all up in time. You guys really gave me my money's worth and then some. Keep on Space Truckin'! =)
This is what flight simulation really is!
Awesome!
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I do the same thing, I fly from Ellington to KSC in a T-38 or G2, and return to Ellington using a G2 on L+1 day Using Microsoft Flight Sim 2004.
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Cygnus... There is a T-38 for FSX, and a very nice one. Bit expensive, but may well be cheaper from Just Flight or some other FS add on seller. Have a look at this: http://www.milviz.com/fs/item.php?id=T-38A
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Thanks Fodda! Nice model and yes, a bit pricey, but a very nice plane.
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Yes, More missions, more features, and more ALL !
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;D
a long , very long time we do not see any screenshot or sneak peak...come'on give us some attractive news... :'(
Denis
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Sure it is ;)
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are the specs going to be the same to run this as o7? and is there a way to back order this? i want it ;D
Of course no... The overall game design needs a more powerful computer because the graphics, models, textures and systems are really in deep improved.
That why we are a bit late but not so much :) News and announcements are on the way. Please stay tuned.
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I have a two questions: ISS have full interior? In SSMS2 clock will be repaired?
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Clock is black: (http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg841/scaled.php?server=841&filename=shuttle2012070620234165.jpg&res=landing)
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Yes, ISS will have a full 3D interior as mentioned few month ago by Alex. The KSC will be improved too.
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Cthulhus you work for make a SSMS2?
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Cthulhus you work for make a SSMS2?
Yes like SSMS2007 (2D graphics design and tester)
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Astronauts from shuttle have a animations? Or after completed enter in orbit,shuttle have astronauts in shuttle or again "Ghost Shuttle"
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Sorry, but I can't talk about the development and unannounced features about SSMS2.
Just wait for official news
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The Milviz model has a really nice NASA livery and if you look really close, you'll find the name on the forward canopy is "Capt. Mark Kelly." Wonderful detail. The model by the way is very specific and flies very much like a real T-38, including its violent and often unrecoverable stall characteristics.
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Will there be any announcements in the next 60 days? I want to have the cash on had to buy it when it comes out, but money is tight right now. I just looking for a time frame to have the $$$$ ready to go. Bugets suck sometimes...
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As much as I would like there to be one, I doubt it. They've always said the end of the year as far as I am aware... Hoping for this awesome long awaited sim in my xmas stocking :)
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yes I agree ;)
...anyway, many months without a single screenshot is quite strange.
I'm 100% sure they're working hard on SSMS2....but thinking in keeping people around and generate some expectaitons too (and possible new customers!)...I would personally show some very simple, easy, screenshots every 1 to 2 months...
Only a personal opinion... :P
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are the still working on it? i have not heard any thing in months about it.
...let's wait for any positive news... they should be working hard on it....
...To me, the most strange fact is that we've had no more screenshots in the meantime.... it would be so easy just put few screenshots every 1 to 2 month....
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Hi, guys!
The new SSMS2 is well worth waiting for, and I'm still waiting patiently!!
Cheers,
Vincent
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Man SSMS 2 not is Crysis 2 or Battlefield 3. :)
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Well they didn't take the bait... dang!
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Hi, Kenralyon!
Please relax, please don't think negative about the forums, the forums is not dead! The forums have been quietly lately because the people are busy working on the new SSMS 2. I know you are excited about the new SSMS 2! Like I said many times before, the new SSMS 2 is well worth waiting for!! Just keep your cool! The new SSMS 2 will be done eventually! thanks!
Cheers,
Vincent
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99% sure ssms2 will be' done...buy at the same time don't understand why no 1 sinle screenshot sonde many months?! Not good way to generate curiosity
.. And - I'm realist - keep actual and possibly new customers around ;)
Lets wait for a close release ;)
Godspeed SSM2 :)
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From what I heard the Dev team has a good reason ;) they wait for the right timing.
All in due time.
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No, we don't know yet but probably the same price as SSMS2007 or really close of it.
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We can't speak about the specs yet because the simulator is not completed, please stay tuned for an official announcement.
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Well, it's all depending on where along the line the development is.
During initial development, you can never know what's going on.
take 3d clickable cockpit for example, Admin has stated in the past that it's on the menu. there are over 3000 clickable points spread around the shuttle pit. how much CPU overhead would be the detection system? or the added graphics, how much impact would that have on the Graphic card.
I can assure you, knowing how the dev team think, this would not be FSX type resource hog. it will run on normal current PC. (dual core something with a basic graphic card - I'm not sure what with onboard stuff) - If you would be able to run the thing on "Ultra-high" on this type of rig, only time would tell.
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i my self am starting to think this new simulator is a myth :-\
IF December passes and the sim still hasn't been released and the dev's are still keeping us in the dark, THEN I might start thinking the sim is a myth.
Yeesh, some people have the patience of a fish ;)
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Hi, Kenralyon and MECO!
Please relax. Please don't talk negative about the new SSMS 2. The new SSMS 2 is definitely not a myth! The developers are working on the major features, and ect. on the new SSMS 2! So patience please! Like I said many times before, the new SSMS 2 is well worth waiting for and the new SSMS 2 will definitely be released by Christmas of this year and please don't worry!! Thanks!
Cheers,
Vincent
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Vinny,
If you cant tell... I'm pretty relaxed waiting for the release and im hardly "talking negative" about SSMS2... Something lost in translation maybe. Just saying IF december 2012 passes with no news/release date then I MAY think something is up, but since thats still months away I'm more than happy waiting.
Thanks for checking tho ;)
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Hi, Kenralyon!
Like I said just hang in there! The new SSMS2 will have a lot more new features than the SSM2007 have, you'll see!
Cheers,
Vincent the astronaut from the space cowboys movie
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Hi, Kenralyon!
Like I said just hang in there! The new SSMS2 will have a lot more new features than the SSM2007 have, you'll see!
Cheers,
Vincent the astronaut from the space cowboys movie
Hi Vinny. what will the new features be !!!??????
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Hi, Jeff B!
The new major feature what the developers are working on right now is a surprise, and I think you'll find out in a few weeks before the SSMS 2 goes into beta. The new features what the new SSMS 2 have right now is listed in the announcement board of this forum.
Cheers,
Vincent the astronaut from the space cowboys movie
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1. The ISS you all know from SSMS1 is all but gone. The new SSMS2 ISS is growing. We are currently working our rear burners off on improving the ISS model and adding all sorts of cool stuff to it - including the interior That takes a lot of time, attention to detail, information gathering, modeling and energy.
2. Although we already released some sneak previews of the new, high resolution Earth engine, we still have a lot to add to it to make it even more realistic, so bear with us.
3. The 3D cockpit is fully operational and the very few bugs reported by the Alpha Team have been fixed. That very complex and critical part of SSMS2 is behind us already 99%.
4. Same goes for the new 3D MCC: we have no bugs reported on that section, but there is additional functionality that we plan to implement there, so that part of the project is still open.
Add to all the above the tons of new "things" that we have in store: more and surprising missions, new comunications, improved mathematical models, etc. and you'll become very realistic about the chances of seeing SSMS2 on the shelves this Christmas.
On the other hand, when SSMS2 does arrive, we don't want any of you to have the slightest feeling that you've wasted your hard-earned money on a pathetic sequel. We want us to be rightfully proud of SSMS2, just as we are of "SSMS1".
We also want you to be as engrossed by, supportive of, and enthusiastic about SSMS2 as you've been of SSMS1. We want SSMS2 to be - as the late Steve Jobs would have put it - "insanely great"
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Hi, Cthulhus!
That is exciting news! I'm really looking forward to it!
Cheers,
Vincent the astronaut from the space cowboys movie
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Vinny, don't get too excited. Because this sentence:
Add to all the above the tons of new "things" that we have in store: more and surprising missions, new comunications, improved mathematical models, etc. and you'll become very realistic about the chances of seeing SSMS2 on the shelves this Christmas.
is another way of saying "You're a dreamer if you really believe SSMS2 will be out this Christmas." ;)
Don't take me wrong, guys: I really don't mind waiting a bit longer for a new version, as long as it will offer more than just "eye candy", compared to the current version. E.g. I hope for additional realistic simulation of spacecraft systems, failure modes, aborts, etc. and maybe the old-style, pre-MEDS cockpit with analog instruments for the older missions.
And it would be really cool, if we could just use the real NASA checklists, at least for ascent, post insertion, deorbit, entry and shutdown procedures, maybe with some points, concerning systems which are not simulated, to be left out, but at least with the right sequence of events. Right now, in SSM07 the sequence of some procedures is quite different to the sequence in the original NASA checklists.
By christmas, the new version will be delayed for almost 3 years (it used to be called SSM2010 at first, remember?). So, what's another few months or even a year, if in the end we get a well made simulation, offering additional gameplay and more fun than the current one.
There have been too many examples of buggy software thrown on the market too fast, just to meet some deadline. I think, it is disrespectful of the paying customer and user. I am sure, nobody wants this experience with SSMS2: not the users, not the publisher and certainly not the developers.
I'd rather get a well developed product for my money, and I am sure that most people here think the same way.
So, developers: Please, take your time. SSMS2 will be ready when it's ready. Until then, SSM07 still offers a lot of fun.
BTW: After Virgin Games' "Shuttle", which I still consider the "mother" of realistic spaceflight simulators and a benchmark in its time, came out, I waited for over 15 years until a much improved and better new generation of Space Shuttle simulator came out in the form of SSM07. So, I don't mind waiting a few more months than expected to see the next generation, especially if the step is going to be almost as big as from "Shuttle" to SSM07.
So, I think we should just be a little bit patient and see what happens...
(But some news or info about the features of SSMS2 once in a while would be really nice anyway. :) )
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Hi, Spacewalker!
You got the point there! That is very true, it is definitely better to release the new SSMS2 when it's free of bugs then releasing SSMS2 that have a lot of bugs!
Cheers,
Vincent
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Vinny, don't get too excited. Because this sentence:
Add to all the above the tons of new "things" that we have in store: more and surprising missions, new comunications, improved mathematical models, etc. and you'll become very realistic about the chances of seeing SSMS2 on the shelves this Christmas.
is another way of saying "You're a dreamer if you really believe SSMS2 will be out this Christmas." ;)
Don't take me wrong, guys: I really don't mind waiting a bit longer for a new version, as long as it will offer more than just "eye candy", compared to the current version. E.g. I hope for additional realistic simulation of spacecraft systems, failure modes, aborts, etc. and maybe the old-style, pre-MEDS cockpit with analog instruments for the older missions.
And it would be really cool, if we could just use the real NASA checklists, at least for ascent, post insertion, deorbit, entry and shutdown procedures, maybe with some points, concerning systems which are not simulated, to be left out, but at least with the right sequence of events. Right now, in SSM07 the sequence of some procedures is quite different to the sequence in the original NASA checklists.
By christmas, the new version will be delayed for almost 3 years (it used to be called SSM2010 at first, remember?). So, what's another few months or even a year, if in the end we get a well made simulation, offering additional gameplay and more fun than the current one.
There have been too many examples of buggy software thrown on the market too fast, just to meet some deadline. I think, it is disrespectful of the paying customer and user. I am sure, nobody wants this experience with SSMS2: not the users, not the publisher and certainly not the developers.
I'd rather get a well developed product for my money, and I am sure that most people here think the same way.
So, developers: Please, take your time. SSMS2 will be ready when it's ready. Until then, SSM07 still offers a lot of fun.
BTW: After Virgin Games' "Shuttle", which I still consider the "mother" of realistic spaceflight simulators and a benchmark in its time, came out, I waited for over 15 years until a much improved and better new generation of Space Shuttle simulator came out in the form of SSM07. So, I don't mind waiting a few more months than expected to see the next generation, especially if the step is going to be almost as big as from "Shuttle" to SSM07.
So, I think we should just be a little bit patient and see what happens...
(But some news or info about the features of SSMS2 once in a while would be really nice anyway. :) )
Hi, Spacewlker!
I would really like to try out the old-style pre-MEDS cockpit with analog instruments! Yes, I know by Christmas, the SSMS2 will be delayed for almost 3 years. Like I said, it is well worth waiting for!
Cheers,
Vincent
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yes and don't forget that SSMS2 will be the same as SSMS1 in term of Service Packs.
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Hi,
I totally agree with you : more times for developers means less bugs for SSM2.
Where can i download SSM2 service pack ? ;D
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Where can i download SSM2 service pack ? ;D
Just open a wormhole and go in 2013. SSMS2 Service Pack is available on the download page. :D
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We want SSMS2 to be - as the late Steve Jobs would have put it - "insanely great"
Does that mean it will run on a Mac?
Armin
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No, not for now maybe very later.
We tested few month ago a SSMS1 for MacOS. (you can search on the forum).
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:) still on target :)
/Admin
Surely "Stay on Target", opps wrong craft and don't call you surely.... :)
I've been neglecting monitoring these forums far too long (babies becoming toddlers, advances in F-Sim Project <blank>, many other things, some good, some not so good). However it has been Interesting catching up on posts that are over 6 months old (or near as).
Just to tell you:
SSMS 2.0 is being delayed because an invasion of the G'Gugvuntts and Vl'hurgs races crashed into the development HDD, destroys it, then rebounds in the direction of a small dog. ;)
Mayans got it wrong, it's November 31th ;)
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Hi, desktopsimmer!
The new SSMS2 is coming along smoothly! The developers are very busy working on it. Please don't worry, the new SSMS2 will definitely be released on Christmas of this year which is 127 days from today!
Cheers,
Vincent
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117 days and counting... 8)
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Hi, desktopsimmer!
The new SSMS2 is coming along smoothly! The developers are very busy working on it. Please don't worry, the new SSMS2 will definitely be released on Christmas of this year which is 127 days from today!
Cheers,
Vincent
great news...so, let's hope for Christmas launch!
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I can only hope SSMS2 is EXACTLY like SSMS2007, testing my skills to the max and taking me as close to what it's like to command a shuttle in space :)
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i hope it challanges me to. but i took 2007 out. as i could not get past sts-93. and i don't like to skip missions. so i will wait for the new one. but i won't be able to get it christmas day. cause the store where i shop will be closed :'(
...so, on Christmas period, just keep internet on and you'll maybe be able to download it quickly ;)
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Don't think anyone really confirmed Xmas day for definite. It was just around Dec last year I inquired at was told it was still a year away from release. Also the "not posting for 60secs" is just a simple forum spam prevention mechanism.
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Don't think anyone really confirmed Xmas day for definite. It was just around Dec last year I inquired at was told it was still a year away from release. Also the "not posting for 60secs" is just a simple forum spam prevention mechanism.
+1...in fact there's no any official statement about new SSMS2010 launch date...
...could be around ned. end of December....but still information are missing :-\
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Hi, guys!
Please hang in there, the new SSMS 2 will be released by Christmas of this year (2012). The developers are working really hard on the new SSMS 2 so it can be released by Christmas!
Cheers,
Vincent
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Roger Huston ;D
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Hi, guys!
Please hang in there, the new SSMS 2 will be released by Christmas of this year (2012). The developers are working really hard on the new SSMS 2 so it can be released by Christmas!
Cheers,
Vincent
Admire the optimism but I've still not seen anything official that this is the case
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I wouldn't be surprised if this was low down on the list of priorities, or never implemented at all. Admin has said time and time again how the aim was not to focus on "disaster scenarios" or aborts, but on the simulation of successful missions.
Putting this in some form of context, in previous versions it was possible to prematurely arm the SRB sep and "sort of" do an abort. That "feature" was subsequently removed.
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my 2 cents...if it didnt happen on the real flight, it shouldn't happen in SSM. I like SSM because I am flying real flights with real payloads.
It just needs to be tightend up a bit, visuals upgraded, and I would love for the GPC to be more fully simulated.
In short, I cannot wait for SSMS 2. I cannot wait to take the Shuttle back home to orbit!
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well thats wierd. not every space flight went perfectly. there are bound to be glitches in every flight. like an engine out or something. or powerfailure in space.
Main engine failures/cut outs are already simulated in SSMS2007 along with some other minor faults displayed on the F7 panel, so long as this actually happened as part of the historical mission.
This is not the same as adding in a full on abort / failure to reach orbit scenario.
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117 days and counting... 8)
107 days and counting...
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Hi, guys!
106 days and counting!
Cheers,
Vincent
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Hi, guys!
106 days and counting!
Cheers,
Vincent
Are you 100% positive this is the release date? Has this been stated by the developers?
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Hi, Jeff B!
I sure hope so! I'm really looking forward for trying out the new SSMS 2!
Cheers,
Vincent
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Hi, guys!
106 days and counting!
Cheers,
Vincent
Are you 100% positive this is the release date? Has this been stated by the developers?
+1
Can't fault the enthusiasm but can we not have a "countdown" is its not accurate
Thanks
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I know two things about the release date of SSMS 2. First, we're all hoping for Christmas... Second, no one has promised anything.
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I know two things about the release date of SSMS 2. First, we're all hoping for Christmas... Second, no one has promised anything.
+1
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I know two things about the release date of SSMS 2. First, we're all hoping for Christmas... Second, no one has promised anything.
+1
But Vinny has promised everyone!!! ;)
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Progress is slow on this one. don't second guess anything. Just wait for an announcement - all in due time :)
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I haven't bothered reactivating 2007 since I assumed SSM2 was being released soon.
I'm sitting on the sidelines waiting to buy any new version - have been for a few years.
I kinda wish they would have released early and iterated. Even the 3D virtual cockpit would have justified the new release.
Anyway, hopefully it's not delayed to the point of becoming vaporware - that's all that matters.
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...so strange SSMS team gave us screenshots of new verison...and for many many moths nothing more...not best way to keep customers and new customers around...
anyway...let's how release will be sbefore end of this year... but not so confident at this point :-\
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I'm pretty sure it won't be out by the end of the year.
There is a delay in the development process, due to a non-technical issue that surprised all involved, one that cannot be resolved as quickly as we wish. But I'm afraid I cannot elaborate more then that at this point.
But I assure everybody, knowing the people involved, they will, to the best of their ability, make SSMS2 come to life.
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but Vinny promised us!
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but Vinny promised us!
Yes, but Venny is not working with us as I know...
uri_ba summed the situation.
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This is certainly disappointing news to hear but I/we/the community appreciate the feedback.
I hope everyone in the dev team are still well and the team is still intact. Last thing anyone needs at this stage is a battle over Intellectual Property or anything.
At least I maybe able to stop checking the forums daily now for any update.
Cheers
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Hi, guys!
Is there anything that I can do for you guys to get the SSMS 2 worked out? And how is the Admin doing? Thanks!
Cheers,
Vincent
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Is there anything that I can do for you guys to get the SSMS 2 worked out?
Thanks Vinny, but no. Unfortunately resolving the mentioned issues is just a matter of time. And there is nothing we can really do to speed things up.
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:'(
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Unfortunately resolving the mentioned issues is just a matter of time. And there is nothing we can really do to speed things up.
Does this mean that the team cannot continue working on SSMS2 for now, until this issue is resolved?
If this is the case: What about a little update for SSM2007 in the meantime, with an additional mission or two?
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Unfortunately resolving the mentioned issues is just a matter of time. And there is nothing we can really do to speed things up.
Does this mean that the team cannot continue working on SSMS2 for now, until this issue is resolved?
If this is the case: What about a little update for SSM2007 in the meantime, with an additional mission or two?
...or SSMS2 videos, sneak peaks, screenshots, manual pdf.....
nothing :(
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Hi, DenisFerrari!
According to what Uri_ba was telling me, unfortunately resolving the mentioned issues it is just a matter of time. There isn't anything we can really do to speed things up. Please hang in there! Thanks!
Cheers,
Vincent
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Hey, not not and NOT. The development of SSMS2 is NOT put to a halt. Not in any way! But the process has been way slow by resolving the mentioned issues... We do our best ! I'll try to show something NEW here on the forum asap ok ?
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...so, let's hope to see something new on the forum soon...
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No updates for month, misterious non-technical issues... this all doesn't sound good. Reminds of other projects which never were released/continued...
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No updates for month, misterious non-technical issues... this all doesn't sound good. Reminds of other projects which never were released/continued...
Don't get lost in selfmade rumours...
It is proceeding but slower than planned. That's all.
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No updates for month, misterious non-technical issues... this all doesn't sound good. Reminds of other projects which never were released/continued...
Sure, development team strangely decided not to give any more preview, shot or sneak peaks....not sure if this is the best decision...
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Well, you can either accept what the moderators have said (and honestly I do not see why you wouldn't), and just wait for the guys to finish up SSM 2,
or here: http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudio/eng/downloads
Download that and you can get to work on coding your own Shuttle Sim.
I prefer to just let the guys work on SSM 2. I still have plenty of flights to go on my current run through to tide me over.
Cheers!
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Cras,
no one of us is not letting SSMS2 team develop it !
And also, we'r just simply writing or opinion ... just saying that's quite strange they do not give us new shots or infos about it.... only this.
Then, if in our rows you want to read anything else, well, that's your problem.
Cheers ;)
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No updates for month, misterious non-technical issues... this all doesn't sound good. Reminds of other projects which never were released/continued...
Don't get lost in selfmade rumours...
It is proceeding but slower than planned. That's all.
I hope it's not a rumor ;)
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Well, you can either accept what the moderators have said (and honestly I do not see why you wouldn't), and just wait for the guys to finish up SSM 2,
Because we did not get any news for month, and because it has been said that SSM2 won't be released this year. The forum is dying slowly. This is a point at which customers usually start to worry about the future of a product. Especially because in the flight sim market there were products in the past which were never released or continued, although stuff was announced and shown for month and years. Without cards on the table (which is sadly usual) the customers can only become curious.
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Well, you can either accept what the moderators have said (and honestly I do not see why you wouldn't), and just wait for the guys to finish up SSM 2,
Because we did not get any news for month, and because it has been said that SSM2 won't be released this year. The forum is dying slowly. This is a point at which customers usually start to worry about the future of a product. Especially because in the flight sim market there were products in the past which were never released or continued, although stuff was announced and shown for month and years. Without cards on the table (which is sadly usual) the customers can only become curious.
That is exaclty the point we all are worrying about... :'(
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Well, you can either accept what the moderators have said (and honestly I do not see why you wouldn't), and just wait for the guys to finish up SSM 2,
Because we did not get any news for month, and because it has been said that SSM2 won't be released this year. The forum is dying slowly. This is a point at which customers usually start to worry about the future of a product. Especially because in the flight sim market there were products in the past which were never released or continued, although stuff was announced and shown for month and years. Without cards on the table (which is sadly usual) the customers can only become curious.
Well, this is not FighterOPS. :)
SSMS2 is not a vaporware, and with some luck it will be out sometime in 2013.
As we have said, the schedule has been changed considerably due to unforeseen events. Work is still going on, but in a slower pace.
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Unforeseen events doesn't sound good...
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Unforeseen events doesn't sound good...
.. +1 :'(
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how does "unforeseen events" is different then "non-technical issue that surprised all involved"?
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what ya mean the forum is dieing?
8 people replied in the "anybody here?" thread within one month. Not to mention most of the other parts of the forum, which don't include new posts for weeks and month. For a product and support forum it's not a good sign.
There is no feature packs anymore for more than 2 years, and not a single sign of any progress for one year now.
This place currently is kinda dead beside a few survivors and a few posts which only imply that there is still a progress :-\
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Sure, 2 years with no updaes, almost one year with nonew shots about SSMS2...forum, obviously, is getting completely silent ad dead...and all that means nothing good...
So strange...but I'm quite convinced that new.product release is well far.away in the future...far for now.
...and its a great pity also not to have received any more SSMS in the meanwhile...
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Sure, 2 years with no updaes, almost one year with nonew shots about SSMS2...forum, obviously, is getting completely silent ad dead...and all that means nothing good...
So strange...but I'm quite convinced that new.product release is well far.away in the future...far for now.
...and its a great pity also not to have received any more SSMS in the meanwhile...
Sometimes something between heaven and earth occurs that forces somebody to delay a development. That is not identical with a complete stop. It is a delay and nothing else. :)
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We'll see then :D
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Hi, DenisFerrari!
Please don't worry! The new SSMS 2 will be released eventually! Like what Christra said the development is very slow right now, and it is not the same as the development come to a halt! Please keep it cool! Thanks!
Cheers,
Vincent
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Roger all Huston!
...only time and patience will give us the answer ;)
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Sometimes something between heaven and earth occurs that forces somebody to delay a development.
I don't think it's a good strategy to stave off customers with mysterious explanations. Usually something like this means the end. I only hope that it will be different for this product, but which is not being continued for two years now.
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That is not identical with a complete stop. It is a delay and nothing else. :)
We sadly can't validate that claim since we did not get any preview for one year now.
The only obvious fact is that this product is on a complete stop for two and a half years now. The latest features pack was released in April 2010. And if we consider that version 2 initially was called SSM2010, SSM2 actually is three years late already without any news for one year.
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Guys,
I think we've hammered this point home enough already. I think they get it... We're disappointed there's a delay to the release of SSMS2. For whatever reasons they don't feel they can categorically say what has happened to cause such a delay. If the dev team still says the project is a go then you can either choose to believe them or not. Personally? I believe them, but I don't think we'll see this any time soon.
When it is released, my hands will be going in my pockets quicker than you can say "we have main engine start" :)
I propose enough is enough and we leave this thread to some actual news :)
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Forum is almost void, silent and empty...2 years with no updates and more than 1 year without amy news about SSMS2 is enough to much such a great forum to die.
A real pity.
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Forum is almost void, silent and empty...2 years with no updates and more than 1 year without amy news about SSMS2 is enough to much such a great forum to die.
A real pity.
I personally think that you're just "doomsaying" now. The activity on the forums and the "community" are what "we, the community" makes of it. Are there still people playing 2007? Apparently so. Are there people playing with valid questions that need some guidance? Yes, apparently so. As a veteran then, feel free to offer some insight otherwise how is anyone new to the sim supposed to pick up the skills?
I know I'd still be on the launch pad if it weren't for uri_ba's video tutorials and this forum - so lets keep that spirit alive :)
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That is not identical with a complete stop. It is a delay and nothing else. :)
We sadly can't validate that claim since we did not get any preview for one year now.
Well, you are free to believe whatever you want.
The only obvious fact is that this product is on a complete stop for two and a half years now. The latest features pack was released in April 2010. And if we consider that version 2 initially was called SSM2010, SSM2 actually is three years late already without any news for one year.
SSM2007 runs fine and I think there won't be any further updates just as other simulators after some time.
SSM2 still needs some work and the team is working on it.
The designation "SSM2010" was chosen because of the first intention to release it at the end of 2010. The features of SSM2 will go beyond SSM2010. So if MY calculations are right we are not even two years behind.
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Hi, guys!
I'm still using SSM2007! Like I said, Please do not worry, the new SSMS 2 will be released when it's finished! Thanks!
Cheers,
Vincent
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Hi, guys!
I'm still using SSM2007! Like I said, Please do not worry, the new SSMS 2 will be released when it's finished! Thanks!
Cheers,
Vincent
... ;D...that is to say : it will be released when it will be released ;D joking.
Anyway, lets hope release will definitely be soon.
Denis
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That is not identical with a complete stop. It is a delay and nothing else. :)
We sadly can't validate that claim since we did not get any preview for one year now.
Well, you are free to believe whatever you want.
The only obvious fact is that this product is on a complete stop for two and a half years now. The latest features pack was released in April 2010. And if we consider that version 2 initially was called SSM2010, SSM2 actually is three years late already without any news for one year.
SSM2007 runs fine and I think there won't be any further updates just as other simulators after some time.
Other simulators are not SSM ;)
SSM is not a product which was "complete" at release, like MS FS for example. SSM was supposed to be a continuing project.
Remember:
Will you release more missions?: Yes, we have already released new missions as free add-ons and we plan to release more missions until we cover most, if not all the historical missions.
http://www.space-shuttle-mission.com/forum/index.php?topic=85.0
But that support has completely stopped two and a half years ago. They had to free up resources for SSM2 development (also stated in the forum). And my assumption is that they overreached themself with that new version i.e. the team seems to be small to get anything ready before it becomes vaporware.
SSM2 still needs some work and the team is working on it.
I really hope so.
The designation "SSM2010" was chosen because of the first intention to release it at the end of 2010. The features of SSM2 will go beyond SSM2010. So if MY calculations are right we are not even two years behind.
Since it won't be released this year very obviously, we can already say that it's two years behind. And as such, whilst there are no news for a year, it sadly has become vaporware (for now). People outside of this forum also call it vaporware already. But this is not an offense. It's just disappointment, caused by those who work on SSM. Because there are no news. Only mysterious excuses like "something between heaven and earth".
If they would say what is going on, or not, and why not, we sure would excuse it and appreciate it. But there are sadly no cards on the table. The customers are left in the dark. We are lead to believe that a slow progress is going on without any single sign :(
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Moonwalker,
I think you just cantered the point and I 100% agree.
No news, no cards on the table, no screenshots, no cues, NOTHING about SSMS2 since some worrying long time. And to me it just means : vapour, that is just nothing.
...how easy it would be for development team to just copy and paste some new screenshots ??! ... Or giving us some materials ??! Like copy of not definitive SSMS2 manual ??! Or just technical infos ??!...
Well, I think it would be a 10 minutes job for them and that it woul stimulate audience at its best...
Instead, nothing...or even less.
And result is just 50% or more of SSMS are just abandoning...
Still do not understand why all this silence.
Come on development team, just tell us which is the problem and we'll be he happy to understand and wait with a complete different feeling...instead of slightly abandon...
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Yes, Denis, I also think it would be no problem to give us a sign of life.
But I want to make sure that I don't want to offend exciting simulations. They sure have their reasons why there is a very slow/no progress for some time. It's just not very nice to let us wait for month without any solid info.
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Sure, no one of us wants to offend development team of such a great sim!
But sure, no senso letting us wait for months, then years...keeping thing void silence.
A pity.
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I don't know what can I add or explain more here. I know it's hard to wait but again and again, SSMS2 is not a vaporware/stopped or anything else, and with we hope that it will be out during 2013.
As we have said here before, the schedule has been changed considerably due to unforeseen events. Work is still going on, but a but slower.
I told you that I'll try to show you something of the next version that I'll got in few weeks.
I really don't want to lock that thread ...
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From Cthulhus : "I really don't want to close that thread"
Ok, close it if you want. You seem to not understand that there are many worries about ssm2. I choose to leave my account here, it's not really needed to see if, one day, SSM2 will be on market or not.
Thanks to all peoles here.
Adieu.
@Moderators : could you close my account, please.
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i understand that sir. i just hope the forum stays here thats all. i have not flown all of the 07 sim yet. so i think it will be neat to see the 10 edition of the sim. lol talking about space flight makes me want to do it on my computer now ;D
The forum will remain as it is.
I get the impression that some people like to make it worse than it is by fueling their own rumours. But it won't speed up anything.
I said already that work on SSM is proceeding and it is definitely not vaporware or whatever you want to name it.
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Hi, guys!
You guys can chill out now. Please do not worry, like what Christra said, the SSMS 2 is proceeding great but at a slower pace. Please be patient! Please just wait for the good thing to happen! Thanks!
Cheers,
Vincent
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i understand that sir. i just hope the forum stays here thats all. i have not flown all of the 07 sim yet. so i think it will be neat to see the 10 edition of the sim. lol talking about space flight makes me want to do it on my computer now ;D
The forum will remain as it is.
I get the impression that some people like to make it worse than it is by fueling their own rumours. But it won't speed up anything.
I said already that work on SSM is proceeding and it is definitely not vaporware or whatever you want to name it.
I am personally not convinced any more SSMS2 is getting developed at good pace...but this is only my personal feeling.
Development team : Why, please just be sincere and come back with an answer , so why , I ask why, every time anyone here on forum asks about the 100% lack of updates of even bits of infos about SSMS2, all the times no one from dev team come back to us with a coherent and direct reply???????
Why every time it seems they just turn around our direct question about having at least some updated infos about new product incoming ?? Why no hints? Why no details? Shots? Why nothing?
Is that a so great secret to keep ?
Do you think total darkness and silence and lack of updates is keeping people around....instead of quickly let them disappear ??
I am personally more convinced by the second possibility...
Why this ??
Close everything you want if you prefer, but this would only make SSMS project even more empty, silent and vapourware.
...my last 2 cents ;)
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well what happen that things slowed down on it?
Something mysterious between earth and heaven... but they sadly won't tell us any more obviously.
We can't do anything at this point except wait for more silent months to come...
So there is no need to lock the thread. People are just disappointed by the lack of information.
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well what happen that things slowed down on it?
except wait for more silent months to come...
That's the point.
Silent months + lack of infos means nothing interesting and many running far from forum and SSMS...a pity for such a great product!
Let's hope to discover something new soon ;)
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...i say we keep this thread and the forum open
Noone said the forum is closing so lets put this rumour to bed right now. I don't think I'm goin to check this thread any more because its degraded into repetition and heresay.
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Do you think total darkness and silence and lack of updates is keeping people around....instead of quickly let them disappear ??
It's not that ! We have a lot of new things "codded" but not "built" and we can't simply don't show you any thing for now.
When the new beta version will be here (I guess in about 1 month) then I'll be able to show you something.
We work at every stage of the program so it's why right now nothing is assembled and we can't show you any thing.
Now regarding the "lack of updates" We already told you that "why" so. The Admin of that forum is currently not available for "personal and unforeseen events" reasons and it's why I don't tell you the reason. Its personal you see ?
Please be patient.
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...i say we keep this thread and the forum open
Noone said the forum is closing so lets put this rumour to bed right now. I don't think I'm goin to check this thread any more because its degraded into repetition and heresay.
Thank you, MECO!
It is a good example of individual people trying to trigger some rumours just to make it look worse than it is.
I can understand that there is disappointment. Saying it once is okay but pushing it up in every post is counterproductive and disturbing for the rest of the people here.
You have to accept that SSM2 so far is in a non public state of development. And it is developing. The team decides when to publish more information. There is nothing more to say about it.
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Hi, guys!
Please chill out already!! Like what Cthulhus and Christra said, the SSMS 2 is progressing, and the new SSMS 2 will probably be in beta testing next month. So please be patient!! Thanks!
Cheers,
Vincent
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WIP : STS-124 Overhead during re-rentry
(http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/7429/overheadl.jpg)
That picture was from the set of pictures sent few month ago for a website but was not added. So I guess that I can share it to you without break the signed confidential rules.
I hope that this small picture will help you to wait :)
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(http://api.ning.com/files/phz*RJ0NKnzQnTeEAmxzgcJWc4XGQEjk7yOc6VzmIFQ20gUhub2Wv0JcS9R8emiIxQpHeoGrHpw3BDoXUKNsRm1tes4u4kAu/reallywant.jpg)
Cthulhus wow
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WIP : STS-124 Overhead during re-rentry
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That picture was from the set of pictures sent few month ago for a website but was not added. So I guess that I can share it to you without break the signed confidential rules.
I hope that this small picture will help you to wait :)
Looks great. :)
but does it mean that my Linux PC will not be able to run it? ;). Rhetorical question by the way :)
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Awesome picture :)
But if it was taken already months ago, this is not a sign that progress is going on currently ;)
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I know, I've not been on the forum for awhile (twin 1year girls, F-Sim project <Blank> and a very busy work schedule)
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I'm on FSIM too :) and I'm afraid that SSMS2 will not be compatible for Linux and for Mac OS. Maybe with emulators ?
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I'm afraid that SSMS2 will not be compatible for Linux....
NNNNNOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
Luckily I upgraded a year ago. I still use my Linux box, but one day it will go to the great server in the cloud :)
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so are you guys then just sticking with the OV-105 overhead panel? Or will there be changes to the appropriate parts when flying the other Shuttles?
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also not sure why you guys have the forum automatically edit the word I typed so it says shuttle.... it is not OV, not SV after all....
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It's an old thing. back from the days of the Great space-sim flaming wars :)
you would have a lot of "in blah blah" it's not working the same..
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ahhh, ok then.
Regardless, looking forward to SSMS2. But of course you all knew that already :P
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WIP : STS-124 Overhead during re-rentry
(http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/7429/overheadl.jpg)
That picture was from the set of pictures sent few month ago for a website but was not added. So I guess that I can share it to you without break the signed confidential rules.
I hope that this small picture will help you to wait :)
It's going to be worth the wait. Like a fine wine :)
In the meantime, I finally found the thread that had the Shuttle Skin Mods, so going to go back and launch a few missions from my childhood ships :)
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WIP : STS-124 Overhead during re-rentry
That picture was from the set of pictures sent few month ago for a website but was not added. So I guess that I can share it to you without break the signed confidential rules.
I hope that this small picture will help you to wait :)
Thank you very much. I appreciate very much this kind of surprises. :)
I would like to express my full support for the dev of this simulator.
Now I come to my lair waiting to get more updates and to fly still SSMS 2007.
Bye
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I'm glad that the instrument panels have some dimension to them now. hopefully we can click the switches from 3-d flight deck view as well as adjust the lighting of the panels-much easier on night landings.
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According to the preview videos that were released, the VC will be fully functional.
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According to the preview videos that were released, the VC will be fully functional.
well, fully 3d maybe. Funcitonal, while I would LOVE that, I doubt.
But, it looks great, can't wait, I am flying STS-99 right now on another run through the flights. Flying the Shuttle never gets old.
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The interior of the Space Station is the great upgrade that us outsiders on the Forum have been waiting to see now for about sixteen months, which is when the last Alpha is known to have been released (featuring the VC). The team has been working a very important, time consuming and mind blowing new feature ever since. But officially we have no clue of what it is.
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WIP : STS-124 Overhead during re-rentry
(http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/7429/overheadl.jpg)
That picture was from the set of pictures sent few month ago for a website but was not added. So I guess that I can share it to you without break the signed confidential rules.
I hope that this small picture will help you to wait :)
This is greatness! Waiting patiently!!! Thank you for all your work on this!!!!
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when is this sim set for launch again? :D
TBA :)
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Hi, Cthulhus!
How is the SSMS 2 coming along? I'm still waiting patiently for the new SSMS 2! Thanks!
Cheers,
Vincent
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when is this sim set for launch again? :D
TBA :)
Come on guys... It's only been 5 whole days since this was posted...
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Hi, Cthulhus!
How is the SSMS 2 coming along? I'm still waiting patiently for the new SSMS 2! Thanks!
Cheers,
Vincent
The development status is great but the groundcrew works now on a large thing that force us to wait for a new version release, we except to have a new version for testing around the next weeks. It's not so long :)
I guess that I'll be able to show here some new screens with that new version, or maybe a video ! Stay tuned!
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Hi, Cthulhus!
That is excellent news!! Can't wait! Thanks!
Cheers,
Vincent
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Sorry guys but although I believe this site is not a scam I also believe we're all being mislead as to the progress of this sim. Remember; a possible rollout by last Christmas. Sorry, just my opinion and I've been following these threads for over 18 months. I know your all saying 'we wait as long as it will be bug free' but honestly, this has gone on long enough. By the time this thing gets release, we'll be flying Orion Sims after it has a few real flights. Just my opinion.
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...2012 has been a very long waiting year for SSMS2...Christmas is getting closer...and it would be so nice have SSMS2 released before 2013...
Is that feasible ?
:P
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...2012 has been a very long waiting year for SSMS2...Christmas is getting closer...and it would be so nice have SSMS2 released before 2013...
Is that feasible ?
:P
They've already said Christmas wouldn't be realistic for months now. It's still in alpha testing so I can confidently say it will not be released in 2012.
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I prefer to wait for a solid, comprehensive and bug free release myself.
I do get the anxiety of seeing previews, the promise of a new release, and wanting that new product, and how that anxiety can build when things go silent from the devs and target dates go missed. I dont know how many of you are big time FSX fliers, but we went through a bit of a debacle with PMDG's NGX release, it was horrible.
I wont bother going into the details of that experience, but with that all being said, I say that anxiety is a far better thing than that utter annoyance and let down when the product finally does come out and it is almost unplayable and you then spend weeks if not months waiting for patch after patch after patch to get the thing right.
If the 2007 version is any indication, this development is in good hands. The screenshots show they are bringing the game more into the modern fold, it will be expanded. Yes the wait is hard, I know it. I would love to see version 2 out just as much as the next guy. But in the mean time, fly the missions in 2007 again. And again if need be. Or try the 'other' space sim out there to get your fix.
Be please, be patient. The NGX experience is perfect for understanding why it is so important.
And besides, I would rather have the devs and testers and the like all busy on working on the game than having to moderate spats here. Not saying there are spats here, but....things can get out of hand in such circumstances.
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...2012 has been a very long waiting year for SSMS2...Christmas is getting closer...and it would be so nice have SSMS2 released before 2013...
Is that feasible ?
:P
They've already said Christmas wouldn't be realistic for months now. It's still in alpha testing so I can confidently say it will not be released in 2012.
...Roger all Houston....
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...why??
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Having flown SSM 2007 since its release and hung around this forum since its inception, one fact of life around here is that Admin will speak when Admin has something to say. As for not so many people being around, well there just isn't a great deal to talk about right now. SSM 2007's last update came in April 2010.
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why is there just a few members posting here? why is admin not saying any thing?
I am to understand that "Admin" maybe unfortunately involved in the unexpected setback in the development of the sim. I can only hope that Admin is well.
In addition, Ken's statement is incorrect in any case. In the absence of Admin, there have been responses by the likes of Uri_ba, Cthulhus, christra, and other members of the Alpha team who, after Admin are as "up to speed" with information as anyone can be without actually being a representative from Exciting Simulations.
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well i would still like to knnow why theres a post block if you come back in less then a minute? even if i haven't posted for 1 day.
It's a pretty standard "anti-spam" feature. 60s between posts isnt really an unreasonable wait time in my opinion.
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This is a forum here and not a chatroom.
If you want to chat, you can go to the teamspeak server.
/Armin
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Not that it is really on topic to talk about it, but pretty much all the forums I deal with have such a time limit between posts. And often for doing forum searches as well. To prevent you from flooding the board and crashing the servers or just making things nasty.
Annoying? Sometimes I have been annoyed by it. Mostly with the search one, where I want to enter a new keyword and run the search but I have to sit there for a few seconds until it will go through....but if it means it helps keep the place up and running, then I am all for it.
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I prefer to wait for a solid, comprehensive and bug free release myself.
I do get the anxiety of seeing previews, the promise of a new release, and wanting that new product, and how that anxiety can build when things go silent from the devs and target dates go missed. I dont know how many of you are big time FSX fliers, but we went through a bit of a debacle with PMDG's NGX release, it was horrible.
I wont bother going into the details of that experience, but with that all being said, I say that anxiety is a far better thing than that utter annoyance and let down when the product finally does come out and it is almost unplayable and you then spend weeks if not months waiting for patch after patch after patch to get the thing right.
If the 2007 version is any indication, this development is in good hands. The screenshots show they are bringing the game more into the modern fold, it will be expanded. Yes the wait is hard, I know it. I would love to see version 2 out just as much as the next guy. But in the mean time, fly the missions in 2007 again. And again if need be. Or try the 'other' space sim out there to get your fix.
Be please, be patient. The NGX experience is perfect for understanding why it is so important.
And besides, I would rather have the devs and testers and the like all busy on working on the game than having to moderate spats here. Not saying there are spats here, but....things can get out of hand in such circumstances.
VERY WELL SAID
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The issue with the time limit between posts in this forum is that sometimes it keeps saying you can't post even if you haven't been logged in for days since your last post. And it does not disappear if you log in and off several times. You have to wait until one day or other it might work again. This is something I haven't seen in any other forum. It wouldn't be annoying if the time span really would be 60 seconds and not hours or days although it keeps saying 60 seconds.
What I have seen in other forums is that you can't even register because you get the message that you haven't entered the correct code while there wasn't any code displayed at all.
These are clearly issues of the anti spam functions.
why is there just a few members posting here?
Because there is no software support anymore for two and half years. And no news regarding SSM2 anymore for many month. So the need to visit this forum is declining for many users.
I visit this forum without any expectations for quite some time. I just log in to see my assumption of "no important news anyway" confirmed.
why is admin not saying any thing?
We don't know. And those who know it don't want to, or are not allowed to say why.
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I prefer to wait for a solid, comprehensive and bug free release myself.
I do get the anxiety of seeing previews, the promise of a new release, and wanting that new product, and how that anxiety can build when things go silent from the devs and target dates go missed. I dont know how many of you are big time FSX fliers, but we went through a bit of a debacle with PMDG's NGX release, it was horrible.
I wont bother going into the details of that experience, but with that all being said, I say that anxiety is a far better thing than that utter annoyance and let down when the product finally does come out and it is almost unplayable and you then spend weeks if not months waiting for patch after patch after patch to get the thing right.
If the 2007 version is any indication, this development is in good hands. The screenshots show they are bringing the game more into the modern fold, it will be expanded. Yes the wait is hard, I know it. I would love to see version 2 out just as much as the next guy. But in the mean time, fly the missions in 2007 again. And again if need be. Or try the 'other' space sim out there to get your fix.
Be please, be patient. The NGX experience is perfect for understanding why it is so important.
And besides, I would rather have the devs and testers and the like all busy on working on the game than having to moderate spats here. Not saying there are spats here, but....things can get out of hand in such circumstances.
VERY WELL SAID
While it has to be said that the PMDG 737 NGX wasn't officially announced until 2010 if I remember correctly, and released in 2011. First unofficial news and speculations came up in 2009.
This is not comparable to SSM anyway. There is no support anymore for SSM for two and half years. And Exciting Simulations is a smaller company/group than PMDG, focused on one product only.
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I am still here, guys. It's just that I decided some time ago that I will not be flying a Space Shuttle again until SSMS2 is released. I did the same thing with the Power & Glory mod for GTR2. I used P&G version 2.1 for some time, and then decided to wait for version 3. This was two years ago, and P&G3 was finally released a few weeks ago.
And do you know what? It's absolutely brilliant!
Let's hope the same thing happens with SSMS2 ;)
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I am still here, guys. It's just that I decided some time ago that I will not be flying a Space Shuttle again until SSMS2 is released. I did the same thing with the Power & Glory mod for GTR2. I used P&G version 2.1 for some time, and then decided to wait for version 3. This was two years ago, and P&G3 was finally released a few weeks ago.
And do you know what? It's absolutely brilliant!
Let's hope the same thing happens with SSMS2 ;)
..lucky you able to wait years for next release without touching any more a game...in particular SSMS ;P
Anyway, let's hope SSMS2 will de released "realistically soon" :D
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As you know the next Alpha version is on the way with new big things to test for us.
From that version, we'll be able to show you more things too because, that version will be a BIG STEP forward on the sim development.
When the new Alpha will come ? Not so long, again hard to say but that will not be so long. Why Admin don't come here? As we said here before, admin is currently not available for a personal and unforeseen reason. Its personal you see ?
And please, don't blame us, that will not HELP US. Just be patient a bit more.
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Hi, Cthulhus!!
That is exciting news!! I'm still waiting patiently for the new SSMS 2 to be released!! It is well worth waiting for!! Thanks!
Cheers,
Vincent
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Hi, guys!
I'm just checking in and see how you guys are doing!
Cheers,
Vincent
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...waiting...waiting....and waiting...for next SSMS2....and waiting....
:P
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Last Alpha on my hand :) So, Now, I'll show you some screens and a video for Christmas 8)
Let me some days to make it and upload it.
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Hi, Cthulhus!
That is exciting news! Thanks!
Cheers,
Vincent
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Absolutely great news!
Cthulhus, please, lot of videos and HD pictures please ;P
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And Moonwalker, the fullborne pessimist havent come up with a new doomsday theory yet?? Chocking ;D.
Saying that SSM2007 is not supported is pure bulls***.
I got help with new keys and stuff just a couple of days ago.
So support is definitely still 100%.
But there will be no new missions and updates for SSM2007, that was stated a long time ago. I cant recall any software that got so many free updates as SSM2007 and Im pretty sure SSMS2 takes all the time.
If Moonwalker got any problems with this matter I suggest you sit tight and wait and stop nagging about it like a 6 year old child on his first car trip.
As far as I know we all paid money for the rights to use the SSM2007 software.
We didnt bought the whole company so Exciting Simulations doesnt have any obligations to tell us anything about SSMS2 progress if they dont want to.
If that is good or bad you can have different opinions about, but you cant keep posting all kinds of doomsday theories about things you have no clue about and expect not to be confrontated.
And thats what just has happened. :-* :-* :-*
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Moonwalker, the fullborne pessimist
Realist.
Saying that SSM2007 is not supported is pure bulls***.
Because you didn't read my posts properly.
I got help with new keys and stuff just a couple of days ago.
So support is definitely still 100%.
That's not software support which I was referring to, in terms of new updates and SSM2. That software support is at 0% since April 2010.
I cant recall any software that got so many free updates as SSM2007 and Im pretty sure SSMS2 takes all the time.
I know software which got many more updates. But that's not related to flight simulation software (but to games and operating systems).
As far as I know we all paid money for the rights to use the SSM2007 software.
We didnt bought the whole company so Exciting Simulations doesnt have any obligations to tell us anything about SSMS2 progress if they dont want to.
If that is good or bad you can have different opinions about, but you cant keep posting all kinds of doomsday theories about things you have no clue about and expect not to be confrontated.
We bought the rights to use the SSM2007 software. That's correct so far.
Furthermore, as part of the advertisement/buying inducement we were, and still are told, that most, if not all the historical missions will be released as free add-ons (see the FAQ's, it's still there). But that's not going to happen anymore for more than two and a half years due to development of SSM2, which is not going to be released in any foreseeable timeframe. It's in an alpha state from which there aren't any news for many month.
So, now it's up to you to call these facts doomsday.
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Last Alpha on my hand :) So, Now, I'll show you some screens and a video for Christmas 8)
Let me some days to make it and upload it.
Hi, Moonwalker! Good news! Please this post from Cthulhus. Thanks!
Cheers,
Vincent
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Last Alpha on my hand :) So, Now, I'll show you some screens and a video for Christmas 8)
Let me some days to make it and upload it.
come'on...world is finishing tomorrow, release SSMS2 before please :D
Joking of course :D :D
...but all of us would be really pleased to see not one, but "more", videos and "many" screenshots even before Christmas ;)
Regards
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Last Alpha on my hand :) So, Now, I'll show you some screens and a video for Christmas 8)
Let me some days to make it and upload it.
Hi, Moonwalker! Good news! Please this post from Cthulhus. Thanks!
Cheers,
Vincent
Last Alpha on my hand :) So, Now, I'll show you some screens and a video for Christmas 8)
Let me some days to make it and upload it.
come'on...world is finishing tomorrow, release SSMS2 before please :D
Joking of course :D :D
...but all of us would be really pleased to see not one, but "more", videos and "many" screenshots even before Christmas ;)
Regards
Yes :)
But remember it's an alpha ;)
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Ok, you're right, I prefer show you something BEFORE the end of the world :-)
Here we go :
And, as usual : Still in Development !
(http://imageshack.us/scaled/thumb/443/shuttle2012121820264973.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/443/shuttle2012121820264973.jpg/)
(http://imageshack.us/scaled/thumb/26/shuttle2012121820254618.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/26/shuttle2012121820254618.jpg/)
(http://imageshack.us/scaled/thumb/268/shuttle2012121820193937.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/268/shuttle2012121820193937.jpg/)
(http://imageshack.us/scaled/thumb/855/shuttle2012121820174140.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/855/shuttle2012121820174140.jpg/)
(http://imageshack.us/scaled/thumb/547/shuttle2012121820152144.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/547/shuttle2012121820152144.jpg/)
(http://imageshack.us/scaled/thumb/14/shuttle2012121820130534.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/14/shuttle2012121820130534.jpg/)
(http://imageshack.us/scaled/thumb/21/overheadl.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/21/overheadl.jpg/)
Click on each thumbnail for a bigger version ! And more to come !
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Nice screenshots there!!
Looks like ISS is in for a real upgrade.
Moonwalker,
Exciting Simulation never promised to add "most, if not all missions".
They "planned" to do that. But as we all know plans can go terrible wrong.
And updates for a program is NOT software support, unless its made for a serious bug fixes.
If that was the case Microsoft must have the best support ever since bug fixes and other crap keeps poring in all the time.
And Im not saying you are wrong Moonwalker, but its start to get tiresome to read all your nagging over and over again.
My last statement, I'll rest my case in the matter.
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(http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/5285/shuttle2012121820264973.jpg)
Is a game?
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(http://api.ning.com/files/phz*RJ0NKnzQnTeEAmxzgcJWc4XGQEjk7yOc6VzmIFQ20gUhub2Wv0JcS9R8emiIxQpHeoGrHpw3BDoXUKNsRm1tes4u4kAu/reallywant.jpg)
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Ok, you're right, I prefer show you something BEFORE the end of the world :-)
Here we go :
And, as usual : Still in Development !
(http://imageshack.us/scaled/thumb/443/shuttle2012121820264973.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/443/shuttle2012121820264973.jpg/)
(http://imageshack.us/scaled/thumb/26/shuttle2012121820254618.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/26/shuttle2012121820254618.jpg/)
(http://imageshack.us/scaled/thumb/268/shuttle2012121820193937.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/268/shuttle2012121820193937.jpg/)
(http://imageshack.us/scaled/thumb/855/shuttle2012121820174140.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/855/shuttle2012121820174140.jpg/)
(http://imageshack.us/scaled/thumb/547/shuttle2012121820152144.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/547/shuttle2012121820152144.jpg/)
(http://imageshack.us/scaled/thumb/14/shuttle2012121820130534.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/14/shuttle2012121820130534.jpg/)
(http://imageshack.us/scaled/thumb/21/overheadl.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/21/overheadl.jpg/)
Click on each thumbnail for a bigger version ! And more to come !
A-m-a-z-i-n-g shots!
... really can't wait to see more shots and videos...let us see planet earth hd textures ;)...
Thank you!!
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Yes, all from the game. No retouch
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Mind... is.... blown! :O
Awesome!
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Hi, Cthulhus!
Nice screenshots of the upcoming SSMS 2!! Are those screenshots are from the SSMS 2, right? And is the SSMS 2 is out of alpha stage, yet? Thanks!
Cheers,
Vincent
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Still Alpha because some elements are not done yet. The beta stage will start once all the elements will be assembled. I can't tell you when and what these elements are. We still have some nice ideas under the "feet".
This post with images is just to thanks everybody here for the support and waiting, yes, we know we are late but the project keep going on the good way.
Don't forget one thing : on the beginning stage of the SSMS2010 (and then SSMS2) ; about the virtual cockpit. We did not intended to make a 3D clickable virtual cockpit... But now you know, it is... We added lot of new features because it's fun to do it :)
But now, we have to stops our ideas and make a workable/stable SSMS2. The next ideas will be for SSMS3 :)
And here some more screens with the Shuttle, ISS and HiDef Earth !
(http://imageshack.us/scaled/thumb/10/shuttle2012122019260571.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/10/shuttle2012122019260571.jpg/)
(http://imageshack.us/scaled/thumb/40/shuttle2012122019245832.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/40/shuttle2012122019245832.jpg/)
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Please some photo with interior of ISS and MCC.
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Hi, guys!
I'm still waiting very patiently for the new SSMS 2! @Cthulhus: I wanted to ask you about the atmospherics in SSMS 2, does the earth's atmosphere in SSMS 2 have a smooth transition from light blue sky when on the ground to dark blue sky at high altitude, and then black sky when out of the earth's atmosphere? Thanks!
Cheers,
Vincent
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The checklists for SSMS2007 were very kindly compiled by a forum member.
Feel free to write down your own grapple coordinates, etc as you play SSMS2 :)
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My point being the checklists were kindly created by a member of the forum. I don't believe he is well and has not been heard from in some time.
I would doubt Exciting Simulations will be releasing "authentic" checklists and it will be up to "us" to create them for SSMS2
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Can't say I've ever had an issue. This forum must like me ;)
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Those screenshots are awesome.
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Those screenshots are awesome.
Shocking realism... ;D
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if the pics look that good the missions should be awsome.
Especially the RMS use on FULL 3D Clickable cockpit and Docking parts !
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Hi, Cthulhus!
Will there be any more screenshots of the upcoming SSMS 2? I would like to see the video of the upcoming SSMS 2. Since the SSMS 2 has been in alpha stage for a long time now, will the SSMS 2 be in beta stage pretty soon? Thanks!
Cheers,
Vincent
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Very nice screenshots, Cthulhus. The HD Earth textures will be a very welcome upgrade, but all of the other stuff looks extremely impressive aswell. I look forward to resuming Shuttle flights whenever SSMS2 is released 8)
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Very nice screenshots, Cthulhus. The HD Earth textures will be a very welcome upgrade, but all of the other stuff looks extremely impressive aswell. I look forward to resuming Shuttle flights whenever SSMS2 is released 8)
Same for myself, +1 ;)
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:)
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Those screenshots are awesome.
Shocking realism... ;D
The real shocking realism is that it's screenshots of an alpha version (and at least one of the pictures already was taken month ago) :P
;)
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Those screenshots are awesome.
Shocking realism... ;D
The real shocking realism is that it's screenshots of an alpha version (and at least one of the pictures already was taken month ago) :P
;)
I was wondering already when your next negative comment would appear.
That is something everyone can rely on here. Thank you !
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Hi, Kenralyon!
You got to be kidding! I don't it's a good idea to lock Moonwalker in the cargo bay! I'm waiting very patiently for the new SSMS 2 to be released!
Cheers,
Vincent
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Does not Moonwalker mean that if the Alpha shots look this good, just wait until you see how good the real thing looks?
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Screenshots look great! I will be inline on release day..... ;D
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Those are some lovely pics! Thanks for posting! I am looking forward to version 2 more than ever now!
And if you feel so inclined into dropping any hints on added mission steps, things of that nature....please dont hesitate :P
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is it possible to post a pic of the Cupola??
just asking :p(a)
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Last Alpha on my hand :) So, Now, I'll show you some screens and a video for Christmas 8)
Which Christmas were you talking of?
/Armin
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Last Alpha on my hand :) So, Now, I'll show you some screens and a video for Christmas 8)
Which Christmas were you talking of?
/Armin
I think next one :D
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Next one is good.
There will always be a next one.
/Armin
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Hi, Cthulhus!
I think Pocci meant the SSMS 2 will be released on Christmas of 2013. Thanks!
Cheers,
Vincent
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is there any idea as to when ssm2 will release like spring summer etc...
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Who said xmas 2013? The only last "rumour" I was aware of was the initial xmas 2012 date before the unforseen circumstances involving Admin.
Unless Ive missed something none of the team that are lucky to have got their hands on Alpha have said anything about any further estimated dates... Unless Ive missed something.
If someone could point me towards the post?
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ok cant wait for it to come out seen the pics look great.
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I am really running out my waiting string here. Due to the 3 reinstall thing with 07 and the fact that I never could get a USB version working, (Im usually really good with that sort of thing. Loss of geek points!) I have not been able to use the sim since last spring.
Now its really beginning to feel like Duke Nukem Forever/vaporware fiasco all over again.
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Hi, guys!
Please just hang in there! The new SSMS 2 will be released on December 25,2013! I'm waiting very patiently for the new SSMS 2!
Cheers,
Vincent
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SSMS2 release date has not been announced officially here on the forum..so...let's hope well before ned Christmas ;)
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kenralyon how about reading my entire post before you turn on the insult machine? If you did you would see that I can not reinstall my copy any more due to DRM that says three installs. I have installed the sim 3 times, and could not get a jump drive version to work. So I dont even have SSM07 to use anymore.
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...I can not reinstall my copy any more due to DRM that says three installs. I have installed the sim 3 times, and could not get a jump drive version to work. So I dont even have SSM07 to use anymore.
I was under the impression that the support team would only provide these services free of charge up to three times. Any subsequent requests may come with a small admin fee.
Have you contacted them to find out for definite?
I find it hard to believe that its three strikes and thats it... buy a new copy... ???
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Got an email last spring that said that exact thing. Right no I cant even afford a "small fee". Thanks Barak, I really appreciate the time off!(SARCASM WARNING!)
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Must have the retail box version.
Digital version has a DRM 3 strikes and your out rule! :o
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It's not that the digital copy won't work, it's that due to the economic climate, Mr Beard is out of work and cannot afford to pay any fees to get the reactivation (and presumably can neither afford a new boxed copy).
I must say, this single thread has gone off topic more times than I can remember now.
Lets try and keep things relevant all :)
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It's not that the digital copy won't work, it's that due to the economic climate, Mr Beard is out of work and cannot afford to pay any fees to get the reactivation (and presumably can neither afford a new boxed copy).
I must say, this single thread has gone off topic more times than I can remember now.
Lets try and keep things relevant all :)
You're right. I think it's time to close it.